The Sun

James___ wrote:
While off-topic it's still interesting.

Part of the sun erupted on Sept. 1, 1859. English astronomer Richard Carrington noticed a brilliant white solar flare on the sun, brighter than the sunspots he usually observed. Roughly a day later, a blast of charged particles — known as a coronal mass ejection, or CME — arrived at Earth, jostling the planet's magnetic bubble. People as far south as Cuba saw the sky light up with auroras.

This link is to auroras https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/videos/1900055320320888/?t=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/09/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-probe-one-of-earths-scariest-threats-the-sun/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67e9e38de18&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

James___ wrote:
While off-topic it's still interesting.

Part of the sun erupted on Sept. 1, 1859. English astronomer Richard Carrington noticed a brilliant white solar flare on the sun, brighter than the sunspots he usually observed. Roughly a day later, a blast of charged particles — known as a coronal mass ejection, or CME — arrived at Earth, jostling the planet's magnetic bubble. People as far south as Cuba saw the sky light up with auroras.

This link is to auroras https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/videos/1900055320320888/?t=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/09/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-probe-one-of-earths-scariest-threats-the-sun/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67e9e38de18&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

Into the Night wrote:

Yup. Auroras are pretty cool. It's amazing how far south (or north for the southern auroras!) they can go sometimes.

Gamul1 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Yup. Auroras are pretty cool. It's amazing how far south (or north for the southern auroras!) they can go sometimes.

Sadly - its too rare for me to have ever seen an aurora (Boston area). I think a couple of times I have known they might be visible in my area but those coincided with cloud cover to the point of not being able to see anything.

Gamul1 wrote:
Being able to see them is on my bucket list I hope to do some day.

Gamul1 wrote:
Best chances are in winter in the north but I have not been exactly willing to spend any length of time in the middle of nowhere freezing my butt off on the off chance it might happen.

Into the Night wrote:

A whole bunch of good advice....

Gamul1 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

A whole bunch of good advice....

All good advice. I think it just has to wait until my retirement. I let life get in the way of these kinds of priorities. I want it to come to me (highly unlikely given my location). Poor excuse - but its all I have.

Thanks though for the thoughtful reply.

Gamul1 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

A whole bunch of good advice....

All good advice. I think it just has to wait until my retirement. I let life get in the way of these kinds of priorities. I want it to come to me (highly unlikely given my location). Poor excuse - but its all I have.

Thanks though for the thoughtful reply.

James___ wrote:

..Maybe one day you could visit Senja, Norway ? That's what I plan on doing.

https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/?fb_dtsg_ag=AdzK13BysrHgiCxe9h2cGnO1BmjFx1sOvrlSKjvmRFLfaA%3AAdwWv5FMZroPRVsX-rlRhO4xAlj7fzzLxSohOFHuk9DurQ

Gamul1 wrote:

James___ wrote:

..Maybe one day you could visit Senja, Norway ? That's what I plan on doing.

https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/?fb_dtsg_ag=AdzK13BysrHgiCxe9h2cGnO1BmjFx1sOvrlSKjvmRFLfaA%3AAdwWv5FMZroPRVsX-rlRhO4xAlj7fzzLxSohOFHuk9DurQ

Yes - I think if we're going to do it, going to some place like Norway, which both you and ITN suggested, makes sense. Probably more to do there for fun than northern Canada in case the lights dont show up.

Can't be done short term right now as I have kids in or about to go to college. Funds are tight for a little while. But I think it might be doable in a few years.

Gamul1 wrote:

James___ wrote:

..Maybe one day you could visit Senja, Norway ? That's what I plan on doing.

https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/?fb_dtsg_ag=AdzK13BysrHgiCxe9h2cGnO1BmjFx1sOvrlSKjvmRFLfaA%3AAdwWv5FMZroPRVsX-rlRhO4xAlj7fzzLxSohOFHuk9DurQ

Yes - I think if we're going to do it, going to some place like Norway, which both you and ITN suggested, makes sense. Probably more to do there for fun than northern Canada in case the lights dont show up.

Can't be done short term right now as I have kids in or about to go to college. Funds are tight for a little while. But I think it might be doable in a few years.

James___ wrote:

Gamul1 wrote:

James___ wrote:

..Maybe one day you could visit Senja, Norway ? That's what I plan on doing.

https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/?fb_dtsg_ag=AdzK13BysrHgiCxe9h2cGnO1BmjFx1sOvrlSKjvmRFLfaA%3AAdwWv5FMZroPRVsX-rlRhO4xAlj7fzzLxSohOFHuk9DurQ

Yes - I think if we're going to do it, going to some place like Norway, which both you and ITN suggested, makes sense. Probably more to do there for fun than northern Canada in case the lights dont show up.

Can't be done short term right now as I have kids in or about to go to college. Funds are tight for a little while. But I think it might be doable in a few years.

...itn knows I'm biased towards Norway because I lived there when he was a kid. With visiting some place like Senja it'd probably be more like slowing down and just enjoying the view. It is about 69° N. Latitude. The Arctic Circle is 66.5625° N. latitude.
..The link is what itn refers to as a Holy Link. I say it's a link to useful information. Different perspectives. The city is Aalesund, Norway and it's live cameras. During the day you can see it's not like an American city. It's where I lived. The 2 cameras Fjellstua and Brosundet.

https://www.smp.no/webkamera/

Into the Night wrote:


Who knows where you lived? You keep lying about where you lived.

No, I don't consider this a Holy Link. You are not using it as your argument.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:


Who knows where you lived? You keep lying about where you lived.

No, I don't consider this a Holy Link. You are not using it as your argument.

...Talk about a broken record that no one likes listening to. Attacking me for being 1/2 Norwegian is what a bigot does.

James___ wrote:
..And you might as well say I'm lying about having a Norwegian immigrant for a father. Anything to spread your hate.

And anymore itn I am really sick and tired of being given crap for being the son of an immigrant. And to think you can't be banned for being an open bigot.

James___ wrote:
...deleted nonsensical rant...
..@All, with the scientist who might be doing the groundwork for the experiment I'd like to see tried immigrated from Argentina.

James___ wrote:
He knows I am the son of an immigrant.

James___ wrote:
One thing I did mention to him is that people will bring up immigration issues but would it be possible for me and him to have an interest in Atmospheric Chemistry because there is something that we both like about it.

James___ wrote:
And itn right now I would like to be the fock out of you. I am that pissed off. I think you deserve to have your ass beat.

James___ wrote:
...itn,
..Do you know what is hilarious ? Your friend who owns this forum is Danish. He is Scandinavian.

James___ wrote:
Yet he supports your bigotry against a Scandinavian. Why I think this is your forum. As you say, both of you prefer logic and philosophy which is as you believe. Climate change is the wrong subject for either of you to be pursuing yet here is this forum for philosophy to be discussed. And at the same time anyone who is Scandinavian can be ridiculed for not being honest like an American.
..See where I'm going with this ? I'm a liar because of my heritage (1/2 Norwegian) and where I've lived (Scandinavia like the owner of this forum) while you are honest because you are here to discuss philosophy and how science can be falsified as it is a religion that people like me worship.
..If Scandinavians are liars then who owns this forum is a liar and philosophy states that this forum is a lie as well. Kind of why I think it's your forum itn.

James___ wrote:
..A definition for you.

de·ceit
dəˈsēt/
noun
noun: deceit; plural noun: deceits

the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth.

..It's just that litesong got banned for posting about climate change still comes off wrong. She was posting something relevant. Then again she also said that you go to Pow Wows in Oregon. I think that's the real reason you banned her. She made known information about you that you didn't want known.

James___ wrote:
...You're a bigot itn. Attacking me because I lived where my father
was from is bigotry.

James___ wrote:
You're attacking me because he wasn't an American.

James___ wrote:
Yep, you said I lied about living in Norway or even Seattle.

James___ wrote:
You're educated. You do know what you are doing.

James___ wrote:
A lot of people live in Seattle just as Norwegians are known for living in Norway.

James___ wrote:
Why would living in either place be an issue?

James___ wrote:
Because my father wasn't from the U.S. like you.

James___ wrote:

Definition of bigotry
plural bigotries
1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry


...You fit the definition itn. As you say, we have to define things. Bigotry
has already been defined.

James___ wrote:
...You're a bigot itn. Plain and simple. Where I either lived or have lived is not the issue.

James___ wrote:
Where would you expect a Norwegian to live?

James___ wrote:
If it's not Norway then I guess that would be your issue.
You're a bigot because you have an issue with a Norwegian moving his family to Norway. Maybe we wouldn't have moved there if it weren't for bigots like you having an issue with a Norwegian having a family in the U.S. with an American woman. Lots of bigots in America just like you. And ti is an issue. You're from the U.S. just as both of your parents were. I need to understand why you're better than me. That's bigotry no matter how you look at it.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...You're a bigot itn. Plain and simple. Where I either lived or have lived is not the issue.

You made it the issue. You made it the issue by lying about where you live.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...You're a bigot itn. Plain and simple. Where I either lived or have lived is not the issue.

You made it the issue. You made it the issue by lying about where you live.

...itn, the other people in this forum do not understand that this is the reason you are here. You're a bigot and you need willing victims. You get off on it.

James___ wrote:
...@All, I'm going to see about staying out of this forum. But as itn has shown even when new people come in here he'll start trolling them as well.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
...@All, I'm going to see about staying out of this forum. But as itn has shown even when new people come in here he'll start trolling them as well.

Seeya. Go be paranoid in the kiddie pool somewhere.

James___ wrote:
While off-topic it's still interesting.

Part of the sun erupted on Sept. 1, 1859. English astronomer Richard Carrington noticed a brilliant white solar flare on the sun, brighter than the sunspots he usually observed. Roughly a day later, a blast of charged particles — known as a coronal mass ejection, or CME — arrived at Earth, jostling the planet's magnetic bubble. People as far south as Cuba saw the sky light up with auroras.

This link is to auroras https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/videos/1900055320320888/?t=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/09/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-probe-one-of-earths-scariest-threats-the-sun/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67e9e38de18&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

AK_User wrote:

James___ wrote:
While off-topic it's still interesting.

Part of the sun erupted on Sept. 1, 1859. English astronomer Richard Carrington noticed a brilliant white solar flare on the sun, brighter than the sunspots he usually observed. Roughly a day later, a blast of charged particles — known as a coronal mass ejection, or CME — arrived at Earth, jostling the planet's magnetic bubble. People as far south as Cuba saw the sky light up with auroras.

This link is to auroras https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/videos/1900055320320888/?t=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/09/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-probe-one-of-earths-scariest-threats-the-sun/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67e9e38de18&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

Not that far off topic actually, the 1859 Carrington Event did have a world-wide effect. By the reports made at the time it has been estimated that the 1859 solar flare would have had to be at least a magnitude X-45 by today's standards. The Aurora Borealis was seen as far south as Rome in September 1859. Telegraph wires across the North American continent burst into flames as the ionized electrons flooded the atmosphere all the way down to the surface of the planet, frying anything carrying an electric current.

Thankfully, electricity was not in wide-spread use by 1859. Should an X-45 solar flare result in a CME today, it would be a very different story indeed.

Normally the effects of a CME, even large X class solar flares, are confined to between 60 and 400 miles above the surface of the planet and have absolutely no effect on climate or the weather. The largest solar flare that NASA has on record is an X-20 recorded in 2001.

Should a massive charge of ionized electrons ever reach the surface of the planet again (and it will one day), then we will be in very serious trouble. Anything carrying an electrical charge, including active batteries, will be fried. Hopefully we can detect something of that magnitude before it hits the planet and completely shut down the entire national grid before it hits. Otherwise we will wake up the next day in the 19th century without access to money, communications, or transportation.

AK_User wrote:

James___ wrote:
While off-topic it's still interesting.

Part of the sun erupted on Sept. 1, 1859. English astronomer Richard Carrington noticed a brilliant white solar flare on the sun, brighter than the sunspots he usually observed. Roughly a day later, a blast of charged particles — known as a coronal mass ejection, or CME — arrived at Earth, jostling the planet's magnetic bubble. People as far south as Cuba saw the sky light up with auroras.

This link is to auroras https://www.facebook.com/visitsenja/videos/1900055320320888/?t=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/09/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-probe-one-of-earths-scariest-threats-the-sun/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67e9e38de18&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

Not that far off topic actually, the 1859 Carrington Event did have a world-wide effect. By the reports made at the time it has been estimated that the 1859 solar flare would have had to be at least a magnitude X-45 by today's standards. The Aurora Borealis was seen as far south as Rome in September 1859. Telegraph wires across the North American continent burst into flames as the ionized electrons flooded the atmosphere all the way down to the surface of the planet, frying anything carrying an electric current.

Thankfully, electricity was not in wide-spread use by 1859. Should an X-45 solar flare result in a CME today, it would be a very different story indeed.

Normally the effects of a CME, even large X class solar flares, are confined to between 60 and 400 miles above the surface of the planet and have absolutely no effect on climate or the weather. The largest solar flare that NASA has on record is an X-20 recorded in 2001.

Should a massive charge of ionized electrons ever reach the surface of the planet again (and it will one day), then we will be in very serious trouble. Anything carrying an electrical charge, including active batteries, will be fried. Hopefully we can detect something of that magnitude before it hits the planet and completely shut down the entire national grid before it hits. Otherwise we will wake up the next day in the 19th century without access to money, communications, or transportation.