The Gulf Stream

The culprit is apparently melting sea ice and glaciers, which inject fresh water into the North Atlantic and weaken the stream.

James___ wrote:
..This article (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/34cb0f88-bca1-3ddb-a0bf-90b12530930a/ss_dying-gulf-stream-may-trigger.html) which cites 2 studies seems to be missing something.
..

The culprit is apparently melting sea ice and glaciers, which inject fresh water into the North Atlantic and weaken the stream.

.. If deep faults and vents are releasing heat into the Arctic, this would be an expected consequence. This is also why I believe more research is needed on deep ocean currents and temperatures. This might help to show if deep faults and vents are injecting much heat into our oceans and seas.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..This article (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/34cb0f88-bca1-3ddb-a0bf-90b12530930a/ss_dying-gulf-stream-may-trigger.html) which cites 2 studies seems to be missing something.
..

The culprit is apparently melting sea ice and glaciers, which inject fresh water into the North Atlantic and weaken the stream.

.. If deep faults and vents are releasing heat into the Arctic, this would be an expected consequence. This is also why I believe more research is needed on deep ocean currents and temperatures. This might help to show if deep faults and vents are injecting much heat into our oceans and seas.

If they were, we would see it on the surface. Warm water rises, just like warm air.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
..This article (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/34cb0f88-bca1-3ddb-a0bf-90b12530930a/ss_dying-gulf-stream-may-trigger.html) which cites 2 studies seems to be missing something.
..

The culprit is apparently melting sea ice and glaciers, which inject fresh water into the North Atlantic and weaken the stream.

.. If deep faults and vents are releasing heat into the Arctic, this would be an expected consequence. This is also why I believe more research is needed on deep ocean currents and temperatures. This might help to show if deep faults and vents are injecting much heat into our oceans and seas.

If they were, we would see it on the surface. Warm water rises, just like warm air.

ITN,
Not quite. What do you not understand about the Gulf Stream slowing ? It's possible they've confused the warmth given up by the Gulf stream with warm water rising from the sea floor. This could explain why the Gulf Stream is slowing while the Arctic is warming. After all, the Gulf Stream is transporting less heat to the Arctic since it is slowing, right ?

Into the Night wrote:


Nope. The Gulf Stream doesn't go to the Arctic. It isn't slowing either. It still travels an average speed of about 5 mph at the surface, just like it always has since the 16th century when we first began to measure it.

This old story about the Gulf Stream crops up again and again. It's an urban myth. It doesn't even affect European weather at all.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:


Nope. The Gulf Stream doesn't go to the Arctic. It isn't slowing either. It still travels an average speed of about 5 mph at the surface, just like it always has since the 16th century when we first began to measure it.

This old story about the Gulf Stream crops up again and again. It's an urban myth. It doesn't even affect European weather at all.

And no Holy Links ! Way to go ITN, now you are thinking for yourself ! I knew you could do it if you tried. That's the trouble with Americans like yourself, you need a European, Elske Norge !

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:


Nope. The Gulf Stream doesn't go to the Arctic. It isn't slowing either. It still travels an average speed of about 5 mph at the surface, just like it always has since the 16th century when we first began to measure it.

This old story about the Gulf Stream crops up again and again. It's an urban myth. It doesn't even affect European weather at all.

And no Holy Links ! Way to go ITN, now you are thinking for yourself ! I knew you could do it if you tried. That's the trouble with Americans like yourself, you need a European, Elske Norge !

Holy Links are not a proof. I expect you to do your own footwork on researching this stuff.

Sailors know the Gulf Stream and what is does and where it goes. No Holy Link changes that.
You might start by learning geography.

James___ wrote:
ITN,
About all you ever say is prove it to me. If you knew anything then you would not attack reference material as a holy link. This then leaves only your opinion and your ego. Kind of why posting with you is a waste of time.
After all, you don't accept the Gulf Stream as a current that flows north in the Atlantic Ocean. Yet you say you are thinking for yourself by disagreeing with everyone while saying it's your opinion and they need to accept your logic which ignores the observations of others.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:


Nope. The Gulf Stream doesn't go to the Arctic. It isn't slowing either. It still travels an average speed of about 5 mph at the surface, just like it always has since the 16th century when we first began to measure it.

This old story about the Gulf Stream crops up again and again. It's an urban myth. It doesn't even affect European weather at all.

And no Holy Links ! Way to go ITN, now you are thinking for yourself ! I knew you could do it if you tried. That's the trouble with Americans like yourself, you need a European, Elske Norge !

Holy Links are not a proof. I expect you to do your own footwork on researching this stuff.

Sailors know the Gulf Stream and what is does and where it goes. No Holy Link changes that.
You might start by learning geography.

ITN,
..I crossed the Atlantic on a boat when I was a kid. We followed the Gulf Stream (https://goo.gl/images/Ypnas4) all the way to where it heads east. We followed that to the North Sea (https://goo.gl/images/aVrc1Z). We were going to Hamburg, Germany (https://www.google.com/search?q=hamburg%2C+germany&oq=hamburg%2C+germany&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4078j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8). When we got to Aalesund, Norway (https://www.google.com/search?q=aalesund+norway&oq=aalesund+norway&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3743j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8), it was kept warm just as the waters off of Norway's (https://www.google.com/search?q=norway&oq=norway&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3663j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) coast in the Arctic Circle by the Gulf Stream (https://goo.gl/images/xkDqj9). Anyone who's lived in Norway knows this.
..Yet in thinking for yourself you made an obviously wrong statement and then said that using a link as a reference is not proof. How can I prove that I lived with my grandmother Ovidie in Aalesund ? Are you going to contact my cousins and ask them if I am 1/2 Norwegian and if I lived in Norway ? You will need to do Due Diligence to find out if I am lying or not. The fact that there are websites about the current of the Gulf Stream does not make it wrong. Arguing such a minor point IMO shows desperation on your part.
..It is funny with what you've mentioned. I am a Shellback, a Holy Link for you;
https://www.veteransunited.com/network/the-navys-line-crossing-ceremony-revealed/
..When I crossed (Jun15, 1984, it was also my Norwegian Father's birthday) and the ship I was on; another Holy Link;
http://www.hullnumber.com/CV-63
..I've actually have circled the globe and have been on 5 of the 7 continents. And you've been to Oregon from Seattle, right ?
..Hmm, in my instance Holy Links are references to things that I have done and some of the places I've been, my own experiences. And since I am 1/2 Norwegian and started learning Engleske after Norske I can consider more than my own or one perspective.

..Fun Facts people. Perm, Russia is in Europe. Ekaterinburg, Russia is in Asia. The continental divide is just east of the Ural Mountains, about 25 miles west of Ekaterinburg.
..Germany became a country in 1849 so it is younger than the United States. Before then it, Poland, etc. was the Republic of Saxony. This might have been the 1st Reich.
..After WW II, by agreement Poland was given to communist Russia. I think it still had an actual cavalry unit. Kind of why they couldn't defend themselves against Germany.
..Germany occupied Norway during WW II because it had a dam that produced heavy water, needed for atomic weapons.
..In 1806 there was an earthquake in the Midwest which geologists said never happened. A Native American warrior named Tecumseh was a prophet. By all accounts he could accurately predict the future and did in fact predict the earthquake of about 1806. He's also quite famous.
..A white man that Native Americans left alone was a man named Simon Kenton. It was believed by Native Americans that the Great Spirit protected him because he survived injuries that killed other people. Kenton County Ohio is named after him.
..The Duwamish River in Seattle, Wa. is named after the Duwamish tribe. Also Mount Rainier's original name was Mount Tacoma ([url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article33225588.html [/url]) which in the Yakima's native tongue means "near to God". Yep, Yakima, Wa. is named after the tribe. A Yakima had met what he said was a spirit or spirits there and went and told his people about it.
..And with the Eastern Seaboard (https://goo.gl/images/5296Ho), the Labrador Current ( https://goo.gl/images/FjVfiz) sends it's cold water there. Now sharks are common in the summer off of Cape Cod, Ma. Where is the warm water coming from and why ? This is something that might be worth knowing. Besides, I've heard they have delicious lobsters and the best clam chowder in New England (https://goo.gl/images/TLCx4G).
..I think ITN most people will agree by using Holy Links that I can post less and if people wish to check out the links then that is up to them to decide.

James___ wrote:
ITN,
About all you ever say is prove it to me.

James___ wrote:
If you knew anything then you would not attack reference material as a holy link.

James___ wrote:
This then leaves only your opinion and your ego.

James___ wrote:
Kind of why posting with you is a waste of time.

James___ wrote:
After all, you don't accept the Gulf Stream as a current that flows north in the Atlantic Ocean.

James___ wrote:
Yet you say you are thinking for yourself by disagreeing with everyone

James___ wrote:
while saying it's your opinion

James___ wrote:
and they need to accept your logic

James___ wrote:
which ignores the observations of others.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
ITN,
About all you ever say is prove it to me. If you knew anything then you would not attack reference material as a holy link. This then leaves only your opinion and your ego. Kind of why posting with you is a waste of time.
After all, you don't accept the Gulf Stream as a current that flows north in the Atlantic Ocean. Yet you say you are thinking for yourself by disagreeing with everyone while saying it's your opinion and they need to accept your logic which ignores the observations of others.

Come on James, by this time you know that nightmare is here only to feed his ego. He attacks everyone indiscriminately and you shouldn't be taking everything he says as personal.

He would have no problem telling a Nobel prize winner he didn't know what he was talking about as easily as he would litebrain.

James___ wrote:
ITN,
I do think this is your forum. All it is is a mind fåk. Just your way of messing with people. It's all you do.
Wake, you're just as willing to straf mich.

@All,
. When ITN states Church of Global Warming he is ignoring scientific research.

James___ wrote:
According to ice core samples we're going to get warmer because that's what our planet does.

James___ wrote:
He says that is wrong but can only say he is thinking for himself.
.At the same time Wake states we can't effect our environment.

James___ wrote:
We can.

James___ wrote:
But their positions prevent any discussion or debate.

James___ wrote:
The debate is over "is what we are doing effecting our climate".

James___ wrote:
We don't know.

James___ wrote:
Kind of why I have the physics experiment that I'm pursuing.

James___ wrote:
Both Wake and ITN can post what we accept at the moment.

James___ wrote:
I can to.

James___ wrote:
I've read enough books that other people wrote.

James___ wrote:
I have considered what they said. IMO I'd be expanding on what we know.

James___ wrote:
An example of this is that I would show how research accomplished in 1852 is relevant today.

James___ wrote:
I'd be taking things 1Step further.

James___ wrote:
ITN,
.Why the circular arguments? Most of your post was just that, an example;
There is no such thing as 'scientific' research.
Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's all. It isn't a 'research' or a 'study'.

. When you make statements like that it leaves nothing to discuss. As you say, you want someone to give you a definition of what a climate is. That's not thinking for yourself. Just you playing mind games. I know you don't like white people. You say Europeans. Why you reject science yet say you are debating something that you reject.
You did say that it is your name that defines you. That is falsifiable as well. Into Darkness in many instances refers to evil. Hades is Into the Night. This is because that which is evil avoids the light so it cannot be seen. This is interesting because in Hindu writings there are places where the shadows run from themselves. Maybe that which is evil desires to flee from itself ?
Maybe it's not because it is stating a truth ?

James___ wrote:
ITN,
.Why the circular arguments? Most of your post was just that, an example;
There is no such thing as 'scientific' research.

James___ wrote:
Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's all. It isn't a 'research' or a 'study'.

James___ wrote:
When you make statements like that it leaves nothing to discuss.

James___ wrote:
As you say, you want someone to give you a definition of what a climate is.

James___ wrote:
That's not thinking for yourself. Just you playing mind games.

James___ wrote:
I know you don't like white people.

James___ wrote:
You say Europeans.

James___ wrote:
Why you reject science

James___ wrote:
yet say you are debating something that you reject.

James___ wrote:
You did say that it is your name that defines you.

James___ wrote:
That is falsifiable as well.

James___ wrote:
Into Darkness in many instances refers to evil.

James___ wrote:
Hades is Into the Night.

James___ wrote:
This is because that which is evil avoids the light so it cannot be seen.

James___ wrote:
This is interesting because in Hindu writings there are places where the shadows run from themselves.

James___ wrote:
Maybe that which is evil desires to flee from itself ?

James___ wrote:
Maybe it's not because it is stating a truth ?

Wake wrote:
James, why are you getting upset when you know nightmare is a moron? He can't even explain how water boils without resorting to obvious flaws in his understanding of the world around him.

Science is not his moronic belief system. It is the entire search for the explanations of the real world and their entire underlying causes. But when you have a closed mind and a blind eye to turn as nightmare has you can believe all is discovered. You can even believe that ridiculous and preposterous things.

I appreciate you are trying to find answers in your own way but I would again urge you to work on an overview instead of concentrating on the last thing you learned to explain everything.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
. When you claim to be Jewish

James___ wrote:
and itn claims to have a Jewish wife

James___ wrote:
so you can say I am a Nazi because I disagree with both of you, doesn't leave much to discuss.

James___ wrote:
.Ater all, you say we can't have an effect on the environment and itn agrees with you.

James___ wrote:
itn misses the days when Native Americans could raid another tribe killing it's men and kidnapping it's women. Sacajawea is proof of this Native American tradition.

James___ wrote:
Besides, he banned litesong

James___ wrote:
because she didn't agree with him.

James___ wrote:
Why I think it is his forum.

James___ wrote:
That's the only moderation I've seen in here.

James___ wrote:
You can take this personally wake, there used to be a time when a person would learn a ? little something about what they're talking about. And you don't get it.

James___ wrote:
The East River in NYC was cleaned up because people got tired of it being so polluted.

James___ wrote:
I helped and not hurt NYC to help protect the environment.

James___ wrote:
Yet that's an example that you and itn continue to ignore.

James___ wrote:
..Can't edit previous post. it should say It helped and not hurt NYC...

James___ wrote:
..Cleaning up the East River helped New York City. The people there can swim in a river they couldn't swim in 20 years ago because of pollution. it makes people feel better about where they live. And wake, you say 300 million Indians in India use a river. During the time of pharaohs in Egypt, they had running water in the Indus River Valley in India. I think everybody is aware of this. That practice was stopped when that ruler passed away. The rulers that followed allowed things to resort to a more primitive way of life.
..There is no reason why we can't be environmentally responsible. The alternative in my opinion isn't worth it.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
. When you claim to be Jewish and itn claims to have a Jewish wife so you can say I am a Nazi because I disagree with both of you, doesn't leave much to discuss.
.Ater all, you say we can't have an effect on the environment and itn agrees with you.
itn misses the days when Native Americans could raid another tribe killing it's men and kidnapping it's women. Sacajawea is proof of this Native American tradition.
Besides, he banned litesong because she didn't agree with him. Why I think it is his forum. That's the only moderation I've seen in here.

You can take this personally wake, there used to be a time when a person would learn a ? little something about what they're talking about. And you don't get it. The East River in NYC was cleaned up because people got tired of it being so polluted. I helped and not hurt NYC to help protect the environment. Yet that's an example that you and itn continue to ignore.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
.I`m not going to waste a lot of time going back over the posts. It is a control issue with you and itn. Someone's got to look bad and it won't be either one of you.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
Wake,
.I`m not going to waste a lot of time going back over the posts. It is a control issue with you and itn. Someone's got to look bad and it won't be either one of you.

Actually it is a serious memory problem of yours. If anyone contradicts you, you have a need to remember slights that never really occurred.

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
Wake,
.I`m not going to waste a lot of time going back over the posts. It is a control issue with you and itn. Someone's got to look bad and it won't be either one of you.

Actually it is a serious memory problem of yours. If anyone contradicts you, you have a need to remember slights that never really occurred.

Read my previous post. Here's what you and your girlfriend miss;
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/thermodynamics/modal/v/maxwell-boltzmann-distribution

..Solar radiation increases the amount of background radiation in the atmosphere.

James___ wrote:
This is why one area would be at 300K and the other at 200K.

James___ wrote:
And when he heats up the 300K volume the KE increases in the molecules because they absorb heat.

James___ wrote:
..And wake, as I've said many times, CO2's specific effect as well as O2's in the ability of air to absorb and release heat has not been demonstrated.

James___ wrote:
..And you and ITN will contradict me on this saying that atmospheric gasses can not absorb background or solar radiation.

James___ wrote:
Their absorption and emission spectrums will change when their velocities change.

James___ wrote:
..Myself, I think since both of you have a lack of understanding of physics you don't get it.

James___ wrote:
After all, all solar radiation is refracted if it's not reflected in the atmosphere.

James___ wrote:
And the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution would give a better idea of how atmospheric gasses are influenced when the composition of those gasses are changed.

James___ wrote:
I've seen no research on this

James___ wrote:
and this goes back to my saying that atmospheric gasses can move heat.

James___ wrote:
This is why their KE increases.

James___ wrote:
But you and itn can't even get the basics right. That does get old.

James___ wrote:

and this goes back to my saying that atmospheric gasses can move heat.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:
[quote]James___ wrote:

and this goes back to my saying that atmospheric gasses can move heat.

Into the Night wrote:

ITN,
.Why like Wake do you make obviously wrong statements ? The Laws of Thermodynamics and the Stefan-Botlzmann constant both say heat can be moved.

James___ wrote:
You have posted many times that you understand what the Stefan-Boltzmann constant represents in science yet now you say heat can't be moved because something "is" or "is not".

James___ wrote:
And if something that "is" ever changes then it never was because then it is falsified.
.Your circular debate has been stale for some time now.

Into the Night wrote:

No law of thermodynamics says that heat is 'moved'.
[quote]James___ wrote:
If heat "flows", it moves. The search link cites many examples.
https://www.google.com/search?q=thermodynamics+heat+moved&oq=thermodynamics+heat+moved&aqs=chrome..69i57.8991j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Into the Night wrote:
You keep making the same mistakes. I keep correcting you with the same theories of science, which you keep ignoring.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

No law of thermodynamics says that heat is 'moved'.
[quote]James___ wrote:
If heat "flows", it moves. The search link cites many examples.
https://www.google.com/search?q=thermodynamics+heat+moved&oq=thermodynamics+heat+moved&aqs=chrome..69i57.8991j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Into the Night wrote:
You keep making the same mistakes. I keep correcting you with the same theories of science, which you keep ignoring.

..Same garbage as ever. Neither you nor wake have any understanding of science. You just want to attack someone. This is what trolls do.
2 a : to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

No law of thermodynamics says that heat is 'moved'.
[quote]James___ wrote:
If heat "flows", it moves. The search link cites many examples.
https://www.google.com/search?q=thermodynamics+heat+moved&oq=thermodynamics+heat+moved&aqs=chrome..69i57.8991j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Into the Night wrote:
You keep making the same mistakes. I keep correcting you with the same theories of science, which you keep ignoring.

..Same garbage as ever. Neither you nor wake have any understanding of science. You just want to attack someone. This is what trolls do.
2 a : to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/thermodynamics-chemistry/internal-energy-sal/a/heat

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

No law of thermodynamics says that heat is 'moved'.
[quote]James___ wrote:
If heat "flows", it moves. The search link cites many examples.
https://www.google.com/search?q=thermodynamics+heat+moved&oq=thermodynamics+heat+moved&aqs=chrome..69i57.8991j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Into the Night wrote:
You keep making the same mistakes. I keep correcting you with the same theories of science, which you keep ignoring.

..Same garbage as ever. Neither you nor wake have any understanding of science. You just want to attack someone. This is what trolls do.
2 a : to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/thermodynamics-chemistry/internal-energy-sal/a/heat

...Wake,
.. You and ITN have been saying that I am wrong for saying what is in your link.
E = 3/2KT when talking about a volume of gas. It's E = 3/2RT when talking about a single molecule.
.In the singular, 3/2RT is the temperature of one molecule. 3/2KT refers to heat because it averages a volume of molecules. At what point do you and ITN not understand that ? Yet you both say I don't understand this.
.And with black body radiation, heat moves from the black body to it's surroundings if the black body is warmer than it's environment. How am I wrong ?
..I know what I'm doing wrong wake. You and itn are both Americans. All you know is trying to make someone look bad because taking the time to learn something is too much effort for you. Why else would 2 people claim that heat doesn't move ? To try and make someone look bad.
. Either that or you and itn want guys to dance with you because you don't like women. Usually guys try to impress women and not wanting the attention of other men for no other reason than having a guy's attention.

GasGuzzler wrote:
James, let me take a stab at this...

Heat is not thermal energy, heat is the movement of that thermal energy either by conduction or convection. Does that simplify it for you? This is why an insulator keeps you warmer(or cooler) by REDUCING heat. That's the way I understand it anyway. Heck, maybe I'm wrong too.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
. When you claim to be Jewish and itn claims to have a Jewish wife so you can say I am a Nazi because I disagree with both of you, doesn't leave much to discuss.
.Ater all, you say we can't have an effect on the environment and itn agrees with you.
itn misses the days when Native Americans could raid another tribe killing it's men and kidnapping it's women. Sacajawea is proof of this Native American tradition.
Besides, he banned litesong because she didn't agree with him. Why I think it is his forum. That's the only moderation I've seen in here.

You can take this personally wake, there used to be a time when a person would learn a ? little something about what they're talking about. And you don't get it. The East River in NYC was cleaned up because people got tired of it being so polluted. I helped and not hurt NYC to help protect the environment. Yet that's an example that you and itn continue to ignore.