The Gulf Stream

James___ wrote:
@All,
..With the scientist who discovered C-60, it took years before the experiment could be tried. Also, his basis for pursuing that experiment was not made known in the link I shared.
.. With neutrinos, if they conserve energy then before and after an event they will still have the same KE. It might be like a painting. You can't see the canvas but you can see what it allows. And with what I am suggesting, work that is performed when the cause of that work cannot be seen, then we can consider dark matter just like astronomers have done with spiral galaxies.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
@All,
..With the scientist who discovered C-60, it took years before the experiment could be tried. Also, his basis for pursuing that experiment was not made known in the link I shared.
.. With neutrinos, if they conserve energy then before and after an event they will still have the same KE. It might be like a painting. You can't see the canvas but you can see what it allows. And with what I am suggesting, work that is performed when the cause of that work cannot be seen, then we can consider dark matter just like astronomers have done with spiral galaxies.

This is REALLY getting tiresome James - how many years are you going to talk about this "experiment" of yours that will answer Life, the Universe and Everything?

Fullerenes do not naturally form on Earth, in space or as part of a main sequence star. There are only 14 naturally forming carbon isotopes and only two stable ones. Fullerenes DO NOT reproduce in any manner outside of the atmosphere of a red giant star. We can make graphene sheets as well but that doesn't mean that they ever occurred naturally.

WHY do you say that we are changing the discussion that your start and then turn around and change it again. And it always seems to be some entirely new point of your experiment which you have never explained.

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
@All,
..With the scientist who discovered C-60, it took years before the experiment could be tried. Also, his basis for pursuing that experiment was not made known in the link I shared.
.. With neutrinos, if they conserve energy then before and after an event they will still have the same KE. It might be like a painting. You can't see the canvas but you can see what it allows. And with what I am suggesting, work that is performed when the cause of that work cannot be seen, then we can consider dark matter just like astronomers have done with spiral galaxies.

This is REALLY getting tiresome James - how many years are you going to talk about this "experiment" of yours that will answer Life, the Universe and Everything?

Fullerenes do not naturally form on Earth, in space or as part of a main sequence star. There are only 14 naturally forming carbon isotopes and only two stable ones. Fullerenes DO NOT reproduce in any manner outside of the atmosphere of a red giant star. We can make graphene sheets as well but that doesn't mean that they ever occurred naturally.

WHY do you say that we are changing the discussion that your start and then turn around and change it again. And it always seems to be some entirely new point of your experiment which you have never explained.

Wake
..This article http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/401 disagrees with you.
..I`ve posted in this forum for less than 1 year and not the many years that you claim. You overlooked the fact that Smalley had to wait years.
..What I think you missed is that with fullerenes, they are something new and are still being studied. It takes time for new ideas to be considered. This requires patience which you don't seem to have.

and circa 1-2 million years ago the ice cap in Greenland and in Scandinavia and Canada arose.

Ice cores from both Antarctica and Greenland show that the last ice age started to become milder 19.000 years ago, completely in accordance with increased solar radiation from the earth's favorable orientation in its orbit around the sun.

Peter deMenocal, an associate
research scientist at Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences
research center in Palisades, N.Y.

The drier periods, which would have dramatically affected the
region's plant and animal life, further intensified between 1.2
million and 800,000 years ago, which coincided with the vast
expansion of humankind's most direct ancestor, Homo erectus, from
Africa into a variety of regions and habitats throughout Europe
and Asia.

James___ wrote:
@All,
..This information on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100,000-year_problem) mentions how the earth's orbit around the Sun directly influences air and sea temperatures. What happened 1,200,000 to 800,000 years ago ?
..This paper is from Columbia University

Peter deMenocal, an associate
research scientist at Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences
research center in Palisades, N.Y.

The drier periods, which would have dramatically affected the
region's plant and animal life, further intensified between 1.2
million and 800,000 years ago, which coincided with the vast
expansion of humankind's most direct ancestor, Homo erectus, from
Africa into a variety of regions and habitats throughout Europe
and Asia.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol19/vol19_iss13/record1913.13

..This tends to suggest that as the population in Africa increased it became a warmer and drier. And this might have influenced everything else. And if this is right then it shows that man has already influenced climate change.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
@All,
..This information on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100,000-year_problem) mentions how the earth's orbit around the Sun directly influences air and sea temperatures. What happened 1,200,000 to 800,000 years ago ?
..This paper is from Columbia University

Peter deMenocal, an associate
research scientist at Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences
research center in Palisades, N.Y.

The drier periods, which would have dramatically affected the
region's plant and animal life, further intensified between 1.2
million and 800,000 years ago, which coincided with the vast
expansion of humankind's most direct ancestor, Homo erectus, from
Africa into a variety of regions and habitats throughout Europe
and Asia.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol19/vol19_iss13/record1913.13

..This tends to suggest that as the population in Africa increased it became a warmer and drier. And this might have influenced everything else. And if this is right then it shows that man has already influenced climate change.

Must you have a loose screw all of the time? What it suggests that as it got warmer Homo Erectus population expanded with the more readily available food supply. It there something wrong in your head where you continually have the wrong take on everything?

Tell us more about your wild discovery of Fullerenes and how they have some sort of effect when the most wild-eyed scientists making the most unlikely claims preface everything with "attempting to correlate" which to you apparently means "proven claims".

Wake wrote:
Tell us more about your wild discovery of Fullerenes

We have added a subscript e to the temperature to emphasize that this would be the temperature at the surface of the planet if it had no atmosphere. It is referred to as the effective temperature of the planet. According to this

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
@All,
..This information on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100,000-year_problem) mentions how the earth's orbit around the Sun directly influences air and sea temperatures. What happened 1,200,000 to 800,000 years ago ?
..This paper is from Columbia University

Peter deMenocal, an associate
research scientist at Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences
research center in Palisades, N.Y.

The drier periods, which would have dramatically affected the
region's plant and animal life, further intensified between 1.2
million and 800,000 years ago, which coincided with the vast
expansion of humankind's most direct ancestor, Homo erectus, from
Africa into a variety of regions and habitats throughout Europe
and Asia.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol19/vol19_iss13/record1913.13

..This tends to suggest that as the population in Africa increased it became a warmer and drier. And this might have influenced everything else. And if this is right then it shows that man has already influenced climate change.

Must you have a loose screw all of the time? What it suggests that as it got warmer Homo Erectus population expanded with the more readily available food supply. It there something wrong in your head where you continually have the wrong take on everything?

Tell us more about your wild discovery of Fullerenes and how they have some sort of effect when the most wild-eyed scientists making the most unlikely claims preface everything with "attempting to correlate" which to you apparently means "proven claims".

Wake,

Wake wrote:
Tell us more about your wild discovery of Fullerenes

Wake,
Don't you mean about possibly being able to infer the existence of dark Matter in our atmosphere ? You seem to forget Occam's razor. If CO2 and water vapor molecules are attracted to each other in a cold vacuum, then something must be there to allow non-locality to become locality. Empty space would not allow for 2 molecules to be attracted to each other.


..@Everyone else,
..The Great Rift Valley quit forming about 1 million years ago. It started forming at about the same time as the Tibetan Plateau, about 22 million years ago. And with the Mediterranean Sea as an example;
The Mediterranean loses more water by evaporation that it gains from rivers and rain. But at present, the shortfall can be made up by the flow across the narrow, shallow Strait of Gibraltar. If this lip were raised, or if the sea water were to fall far enough, the connection to the Atlantic would be cut, and the water's edge would gradually retreat. The sea would become a dense, salty lake, then a salt-encrusted marsh, and finally a desert. Rivers reaching the former coast from Europe and Africa would face a plunge to the floor of this desert two thousand metres below global mean sea level.

This, it seems, is what happened repeatedly between 6 and 5.3 million years ago. But what provoked the Messinian salinity crisis, and what course did it take?
https://www.nature.com/news/1999/990812/full/news990812-10.html


..Kind of why I think we need more research about how/why gasses occur in our atmosphere and how the composition of atmospheric gasses effects it's ability to absorb and release heat. With the earth's energy budget that Wake posted, it claims that the Earth emits 57.9 w/m^2 of infrared radiation. That would be about 0.04% of the Earth's energy budget.

We have added a subscript e to the temperature to emphasize that this would be the temperature at the surface of the planet if it had no atmosphere. It is referred to as the effective temperature of the planet. According to this

calculation, the effective temperature of Earth is about 255 K (or -18 °C).
http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/radiation/

..This last reference link suggests that our atmosphere can absorb and release heat. Atmospheric gasses with different levels of the various molecules has not been tested from what I've been able to find on the internet. There should be some definitive work done to confirm how changing the levels of different gasses affects the temperature of our atmosphere.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
You're showing yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Either that or without my attention you have nothing. It's sad because the other cyber bully I know posted to me that he'll hath no fury like a woman scorned. I'll post an image of it later today but I'm getting the same attitude from you.
.. You know that I used the discovery of fullerenes as an example since that's a fairly recent discovery, the 1980's.

p.s., scientists already credit Dark Matter for spiral galaxies which are the primary type of galaxies in the universe. What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work.
..Still, the experiment is about seeing if CO2 helps ozone to occur in the tropoause. That's more important right now because it would have an effect on the climate change debate.
.. You do know Wake then you are showing one problem with America. All you can do is harras me because you never took the time to learn something. And because that's all that you can do it is what you are going to keep doing. It's about you making me look bad. Yet litesong got banned for posting stuff about climate change. Why I think you're doing itn"'s dirty work for him.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
You're showing yourself to be nothing more than a troll.

James___ wrote:
Either that or without my attention you have nothing.

James___ wrote:
It's sad because the other cyber bully I know posted to me that he'll hath no fury like a woman scorned. I'll post an image of it later today but I'm getting the same attitude from you.
.. You know that I used the discovery of fullerenes as an example since that's a fairly recent discovery, the 1980's.

James___ wrote:
p.s., scientists already credit Dark Matter for spiral galaxies which are the primary type of galaxies in the universe.

James___ wrote:
What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work.

James___ wrote:
..Still, the experiment is about seeing if CO2 helps ozone to occur in the tropoause.

James___ wrote:
That's more important right now because it would have an effect on the climate change debate.

James___ wrote:
.. You do know Wake then you are showing one problem with America. All you can do is harras me because you never took the time to learn something.

James___ wrote:
And because that's all that you can do it is what you are going to keep doing. It's about you making me look bad.

James___ wrote:
Yet litesong got banned for posting stuff about climate change.

James___ wrote:
Why I think you're doing itn"'s dirty work for him.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
Wake,
You're showing yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Either that or without my attention you have nothing. It's sad because the other cyber bully I know posted to me that he'll hath no fury like a woman scorned. I'll post an image of it later today but I'm getting the same attitude from you.
.. You know that I used the discovery of fullerenes as an example since that's a fairly recent discovery, the 1980's.

p.s., scientists already credit Dark Matter for spiral galaxies which are the primary type of galaxies in the universe. What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work.
..Still, the experiment is about seeing if CO2 helps ozone to occur in the tropoause. That's more important right now because it would have an effect on the climate change debate.
.. You do know Wake then you are showing one problem with America. All you can do is harras me because you never took the time to learn something. And because that's all that you can do it is what you are going to keep doing. It's about you making me look bad. Yet litesong got banned for posting stuff about climate change. Why I think you're doing itn"'s dirty work for him.

"What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work."

Nightmare - I leave this to you. You're much better at noting these sorts of delusions than I am.

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
Wake,
You're showing yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Either that or without my attention you have nothing. It's sad because the other cyber bully I know posted to me that he'll hath no fury like a woman scorned. I'll post an image of it later today but I'm getting the same attitude from you.
.. You know that I used the discovery of fullerenes as an example since that's a fairly recent discovery, the 1980's.

p.s., scientists already credit Dark Matter for spiral galaxies which are the primary type of galaxies in the universe. What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work.
..Still, the experiment is about seeing if CO2 helps ozone to occur in the tropoause. That's more important right now because it would have an effect on the climate change debate.
.. You do know Wake then you are showing one problem with America. All you can do is harras me because you never took the time to learn something. And because that's all that you can do it is what you are going to keep doing. It's about you making me look bad. Yet litesong got banned for posting stuff about climate change. Why I think you're doing itn"'s dirty work for him.

"What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work."

Nightmare - I leave this to you. You're much better at noting these sorts of delusions than I am.

Thanks. Not sure what I can do though. He is clearly illiterate in the chemistry involved.

Wake wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:
Wake,
You're showing yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Either that or without my attention you have nothing. It's sad because the other cyber bully I know posted to me that he'll hath no fury like a woman scorned. I'll post an image of it later today but I'm getting the same attitude from you.
.. You know that I used the discovery of fullerenes as an example since that's a fairly recent discovery, the 1980's.

p.s., scientists already credit Dark Matter for spiral galaxies which are the primary type of galaxies in the universe. What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work.
..Still, the experiment is about seeing if CO2 helps ozone to occur in the tropoause. That's more important right now because it would have an effect on the climate change debate.
.. You do know Wake then you are showing one problem with America. All you can do is harras me because you never took the time to learn something. And because that's all that you can do it is what you are going to keep doing. It's about you making me look bad. Yet litesong got banned for posting stuff about climate change. Why I think you're doing itn"'s dirty work for him.

"What I might be doing is showing scientists a way to observe dark matter performing work."

Nightmare - I leave this to you. You're much better at noting these sorts of delusions than I am.

Thanks. Not sure what I can do though. He is clearly illiterate in the chemistry involved.

I can make one correction to your posting: no one has any idea what dark matter is.

Wake wrote:
The motions of the universe make it appear to be everywhere. Yet if any real matter were involved, it would dim the light from distant galaxies and it does not.

Wake wrote:
Presently one new theory is making the rounds that "dark matter" is composed of particles as much as 100 times smaller (and lighter than electrons) and that this is the reason that it isn't detectable.

Wake wrote:
In order to have such a large overall mass as to compose some 98% of the universe this would be so thick that you could not detect anything but perhaps wave actions from it. And so far even two black holes colliding and forming extremely large gravity waves has not been sufficient to show any correlation with dark matter.

James___ wrote:
Wake,
..You just posted that I said it was fullerenes.

James___ wrote:
Now you're saying something else entirely different.

James___ wrote:
Do you have any idea what you are talking about ? You don't. That's why you said
[quote]Wake wrote: I can make one correction to your posting: no one has any idea what dark matter is. [/b]
Then you said
[quote]Wake wrote: Presently one new theory is making the rounds that "dark matter" is composed of particles as much as 100 times smaller (and lighter than electrons) and that this is the reason that it isn't detectable.
[/b]

..It's funny, you say no one has any idea then you say someone does have an idea. You discredit what I say

James___ wrote:
and then say the same thing I am saying.

James___ wrote:
That is really clever Wake.

James___ wrote:
And as ITN posted to you, I am illiterate about chemistry but not you.

James___ wrote:
This makes you both nothing more than a couple of trolls.

James___ wrote:
...deleted Holy Link...
..After all ITN, you claim that heat "is".

James___ wrote:
If that's the case then how can it act as an oxidizer which is needed for a chemical reaction ?

James___ wrote:
That's kind of why my experiment isn't supposed to work, no obvious oxidizer involved.

James___ wrote:
I would think that 2 individuals like you and Wake would know that an oxidizer is essential for a chemical reaction

James___ wrote:
but neither of you have mentioned this violation in my experiment.

James___ wrote:
This is why I consider you both nothing more than trolls,

James___ wrote:
neither one of you mentioned the lack of an oxidizer.

James___ wrote:
That should've been the first thing mentioned.
...deleted Redundant Holy Link..

..And Wake, this is something one of you should've already have mentioned if you're familiar with chemistry.

James___ wrote:
You guys missed why scientists do not think my experiment could work.

James___ wrote:
While oxygen (O2) is an oxidizer, that would be one of the products of my experiment which means in that situation it would not be an oxidizer because it would be from a reaction between CO2 and H2O.

James___ wrote:
..But trolls don't take the time to learn what they're talking about, only how they might be disruptive for their own pleasures.

James___ wrote:
I just wonder if it's like sex when the 2 of you try to have your way with me like I'm man candy that you both want;

James___ wrote:
Wake,
..You just posted that I said it was fullerenes. Now you're saying something else entirely different. Do you have any idea what you are talking about ? You don't. That's why you said
[quote]Wake wrote: I can make one correction to your posting: no one has any idea what dark matter is. [/b]
Then you said
[quote]Wake wrote: Presently one new theory is making the rounds that "dark matter" is composed of particles as much as 100 times smaller (and lighter than electrons) and that this is the reason that it isn't detectable.
[/b]

..It's funny, you say no one has any idea then you say someone does have an idea. You discredit what I say and then say the same thing I am saying. That is really clever Wake. And as ITN posted to you, I am illiterate about chemistry but not you. This makes you both nothing more than a couple of trolls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
..After all ITN, you claim that heat "is". If that's the case then how can it act as an oxidizer which is needed for a chemical reaction ? That's kind of why my experiment isn't supposed to work, no obvious oxidizer involved. I would think that 2 individuals like you and Wake would know that an oxidizer is essential for a chemical reaction but neither of you have mentioned this violation in my experiment. This is why I consider you both nothing more than trolls, neither one of you mentioned the lack of an oxidizer. That should've been the first thing mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agent

..And Wake, this is something one of you should've already have mentioned if you're familiar with chemistry. You guys missed why scientists do not think my experiment could work. While oxygen (O2) is an oxidizer, that would be one of the products of my experiment which means in that situation it would not be an oxidizer because it would be from a reaction between CO2 and H2O.
..But trolls don't take the time to learn what they're talking about, only how they might be disruptive for their own pleasures. I just wonder if it's like sex when the 2 of you try to have your way with me like I'm man candy that you both want;

Wake wrote:

The trouble is that you knowledge is so limited and you actually do not WANT to learn anything. You want to be the genius at the center of the maypole. Just saying all the BS you're putting out doesn't make you smart - it merely makes you look foolish.

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

The trouble is that you knowledge is so limited and you actually do not WANT to learn anything. You want to be the genius at the center of the maypole. Just saying all the BS you're putting out doesn't make you smart - it merely makes you look foolish.

...Wake,
..You're jealous. When I don't post you don't post and neither does ITN. I think everyone has seen that. You also failed to mention that I usually post reference links to various sources of information. What you're posting is what you people to think you know.
..Here is something you and ITN say scientists don't know but the 2 of you do;
Simply put, neutrinos come in different flavors and the probability that a neutrino is a particular flavor can change as the particle propagates. If these oscillations do indeed occur (and there are experiments that believe to have detected them), then the neutrino would be required to have a rest mass.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/108-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/dark-matter/656-could-neutrinos-be-dark-matter-intermediate

..@All,
I've already posted the quote and the link but it seems that someone deleted it from my post. And yet ITN and wake started posting that scientists have no idea about this. And as Wake said, posting BS like this merely makes me look foolish. Why I think ITN and Wake are a couple of trolls. With the link on dark matter, I don't think they know enough to understand what's being discussed.
..And abusive posting like this >> The trouble is that you knowledge is so limited and you actually do not WANT to learn anything. << is by someone who was too good to learn anything. Just never saw the need for it I guess.
..And Wake, this has been old. All you and ITN can do is try to discredit me. It's all either of you have.

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

The trouble is that you knowledge is so limited and you actually do not WANT to learn anything. You want to be the genius at the center of the maypole. Just saying all the BS you're putting out doesn't make you smart - it merely makes you look foolish.

...Wake,
..You're jealous. When I don't post you don't post and neither does ITN.

James___ wrote:
I think everyone has seen that.

James___ wrote:
You also failed to mention that I usually post reference links to various sources of information.

James___ wrote:
What you're posting is what you people to think you know.

James___ wrote:
..Here is something you and ITN say scientists don't know but the 2 of you do;
Simply put, neutrinos come in different flavors and the probability that a neutrino is a particular flavor can change as the particle propagates. If these oscillations do indeed occur (and there are experiments that believe to have detected them), then the neutrino would be required to have a rest mass.
...deleted Redundant Holy Quote...

James___ wrote:
..@All,
I've already posted the quote and the link but it seems that someone deleted it from my post.

James___ wrote:
And yet ITN and wake started posting that scientists have no idea about this.

James___ wrote:
And as Wake said, posting BS like this merely makes me look foolish.

James___ wrote:
Why I think ITN and Wake are a couple of trolls.

James___ wrote:
With the link on dark matter, I don't think they know enough to understand what's being discussed.

James___ wrote:
..And abusive posting like this >> The trouble is that you knowledge is so limited and you actually do not WANT to learn anything. << is by someone who was too good to learn anything. Just never saw the need for it I guess.

James___ wrote:
..And Wake, this has been old. All you and ITN can do is try to discredit me. It's all either of you have.

James___ wrote:
@All,
..What is being overlooked is that neutrinos would need to conserve energy.

James___ wrote:
This means that if a light wave or electron passes through a field of neutrinos then those neutrinos will resort to the same KE as before the event that excited them.

James___ wrote:
This is why they would be difficult to detect.

James___ wrote:
..Between what they absorb and emit there would be a constant equilibrium which means no observations.

James___ wrote:
..With this Occam's razor applies. A very small particle with very little mass. And scientists have been considering this. My experiment might give them a way to observe molecules interacting because of non-locality.

James___ wrote:
..At the same time, if CO2 + H2O (vapor) =/- hv? = CH2O and O2 might not be as interesting if what Wake and ITN are showing.

James___ wrote:
And we all know that O2 is a part of the Chapman Cycle which is the cyclical nature of ozone.

James___ wrote:
..Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to try the experiment. Not having a PhD makes things more difficult for obvious reasons.

James___ wrote:
ITN,
You leave nothing to discuss just like Wake.

James___ wrote:
When one of you gives an answer, everyone is expected to accept what ever it is either one of you says.

James___ wrote:
And ITN, you should've corrected Wake about trees.

James___ wrote:
While they are about 50% carbon, wood burns because most of the carbon is in methane (CH4).

James___ wrote:
That's 7th grade earth science.

James___ wrote:
Yet you both missed it.

James___ wrote:
Could explain the chemistry but you both have shown that you don't know the basics.

James wrote:
That's 7th grade earth science.

Into the Night wrote:
No, it isn't. In case you haven't noticed, the 7th grade teaches very little science, if any.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:
That's 7th grade earth science.

Into the Night wrote:
No, it isn't. In case you haven't noticed, the 7th grade teaches very little science, if any.

Well now I gotta chime in here. I happen to have a son in 7th grade, and I can tell you without a doubt this is not 7th grade science. The "educators" are too busy bashing Trump and spouting global warming to do any real teaching. My kid is getting really sick of it.

Last week teacher said "have a good weekend everyone, and next week we will begin a new topic. We will be studying carbon dioxide and it's affects on the planet".
My son raised his hand...Yes?
"So what you're saying is that we will be studying plant food?"

Proud dad moment right there!

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:
That's 7th grade earth science.

Into the Night wrote:
No, it isn't. In case you haven't noticed, the 7th grade teaches very little science, if any.

Well now I gotta chime in here. I happen to have a son in 7th grade, and I can tell you without a doubt this is not 7th grade science. The "educators" are too busy bashing Trump and spouting global warming to do any real teaching. My kid is getting really sick of it.

Last week teacher said "have a good weekend everyone, and next week we will begin a new topic. We will be studying carbon dioxide and it's affects on the planet".
My son raised his hand...Yes?
"So what you're saying is that we will be studying plant food?"

Proud dad moment right there!

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:
That's 7th grade earth science.

Into the Night wrote:
No, it isn't. In case you haven't noticed, the 7th grade teaches very little science, if any.

Well now I gotta chime in here. I happen to have a son in 7th grade, and I can tell you without a doubt this is not 7th grade science. The "educators" are too busy bashing Trump and spouting global warming to do any real teaching. My kid is getting really sick of it.

Last week teacher said "have a good weekend everyone, and next week we will begin a new topic. We will be studying carbon dioxide and it's affects on the planet".
My son raised his hand...Yes?
"So what you're saying is that we will be studying plant food?"

Proud dad moment right there!

GasGuzzler,
When I was in 7th grade we were heating wood in a test tube to extract it's gases. The test tube would be in a beaker filled with ice water. The heavier gasses would condense.
..What Wake and ITN missed is that when wood burns, it is methane (CH4) that is burning as a gas and not the wood itself. This is typical of any ash fire. Gasses burn, solids don't.
..With wood, it's CH4 + (2)O2 > CO2 and (2)H2O. This means that wood has a lot of hydrogen in it.
..Kind of why it's a waste of time for me to post in here. All wake and itn want to do is to get into (itn2) a pissing contest.

Wake wrote:

Well somebody is missing something. https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/fire1.htm

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

Well somebody is missing something. https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/fire1.htm

...Wake,
..When I was in the US Navy I went to firefighting school 3 times. I know a great deal about fires like they have 4 different classifications, A, B, C and D.
And that for a fire to occur there is a fire triangle. This is because if anyone of the 3 requirements for a fire are removed then the fire will quit burning.
..It's VERY basic knowledge that a fire requires oxygen (O2), fuel and heat. when I was in dry dock on board the USS Kitty Hawk we installed the Halon AFFF 1301 fire suppression system. It smothered fires with foam so that air was removed from the fire triangle.
..I transferred from the USS Ranger which was going on West-Pac. Because it did not have the Halon AFFF 1301 fire suppression system 3 people died fighting an engine room fire that melted holes in the bulkheads to other engineering spaces. This is because they had to rely on spraying water on the fire to cool it.
..To give you an idea Wake they flood the engine room on fire. Not once but twice because when they drained the flooded engine room the fire re-flashed.
..I think it's funny Wake that you keep posting very basic stuff and then act like you know something. You've never fought any fires, have you ? You should try it sometime.

..Wake, AFFF stands for aqueous film forming foam. It saves lives because it fights the fire. You really need to actually learn something some time.

..@All,
.An Alpha (Class A) fire leaves an ash.
Bravo (Class

flammable liquid which includes grease in the kitchen.
Charlie (C) an electrical fire. Turning of the source of power is option #1. The 2nd option is a chemical agent designed for electrical fires.
Delta (D) is metal burning. Throw it overboard if you can. Water will cause an explosion so never pour or spray water on burning metal.


..Want to try a neat experiment or 2 ? If you have access to a damaged mag wheel from a car, carefully sand off some of it into a dust. Then take a match to the dust. Like creamer used for coffee it will flame up.
With coffee creamer, have some of it in your hand and have a flame that you can dust with it. Kind of why granaries will sometimes explode and burn
https://www.brighthub.com/education/homework-tips/articles/122532.aspx

Wake wrote:

Since what is burning in a wood fire is mostly formaldehyde (CH2O) I'm still trying to work out where your get methane from.

I'm really not interested in your experiences in the Navy if they ever gave you the idea that burning wood generates methane (CH4).

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

Since what is burning in a wood fire is mostly formaldehyde (CH2O) I'm still trying to work out where your get methane from.

I'm really not interested in your experiences in the Navy if they ever gave you the idea that burning wood generates methane (CH4).

...Wake,
..You and ITN win. You've won the debate. I admit that the both of you have out debated me. And Yes Wake, I am accepting that I lost the DEBATE with you and ITN.

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

Since what is burning in a wood fire is mostly formaldehyde (CH2O) I'm still trying to work out where your get methane from.

I'm really not interested in your experiences in the Navy if they ever gave you the idea that burning wood generates methane (CH4).

...Wake,
..You and ITN win. You've won the debate. I admit that the both of you have out debated me. And Yes Wake, I am accepting that I lost the DEBATE with you and ITN.

We didn't "win". We weren't TRYING to "win". We were trying to correct your twisted view of reality.

Into the Night wrote:

Wake wrote:

James___ wrote:

Wake wrote:

Since what is burning in a wood fire is mostly formaldehyde (CH2O) I'm still trying to work out where your get methane from.

I'm really not interested in your experiences in the Navy if they ever gave you the idea that burning wood generates methane (CH4).

...Wake,
..You and ITN win. You've won the debate. I admit that the both of you have out debated me. And Yes Wake, I am accepting that I lost the DEBATE with you and ITN.

We didn't "win". We weren't TRYING to "win". We were trying to correct your twisted view of reality.

Careful. You have to define what 'real' means. It's just a buzzword until you do.

Wake wrote:


Since what is burning in a wood fire is mostly formaldehyde (CH2O) I'm still trying to work out where your get methane from.

I'm really not interested in your experiences in the Navy if they ever gave you the idea that burning wood generates methane (CH4).