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Ocean "acidification" once and for all?13-10-2015 18:45
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Recently, a lot of threads on this website have been discussing/arguing/shredding whether or not ocean "acidification" even exists, let alone whether or not it is a component of M2C2 (man-made climate change). Here's a recent article published in September, 2015, which I hope will put these questions to rest:

Global alteration of ocean ecosystem functioning due to increasing human CO2 emissions

On the good side:

1. It's from the journal PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America).
2. It was coauthored by two guys who actually hold degrees in science (vs. food service hospitality or waste management).
3. I couldn't find any typos in it.

On the bad side:

1. PNAS is probably run by a bunch of Marxist.
2. For the purpose of discussing M2C2, science might be overrated.
3. I'm not that good at finding typos, anyways.

You decide. Thoughts?


The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards

1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator!
2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking!
3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers!
4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen!
14-10-2015 14:50
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:On the bad side:

1. PNAS is probably run by a bunch of Marxist.
2. For the purpose of discussing M2C2, science might be overrated.
3. I'm not that good at finding typos, anyways.

You decide. Thoughts?

On the bad side, the authors hide behind the passive voice:

Rising anthropogenic CO2 emissions are anticipated to drive change to ocean ecosystems


1. My presumption, as a reader, is that this really must not be anticipated by anyone I consider important.
2. The first words tell me that, yes, these are probably a bunch of Marxists who are writing for an already believing audience. We all know the standard mantra of all religions: "You must believe!"
3. For guys who are supposed to be scientific, the authors certainly aren't doing anything to raise the scientific awareness of anyone. How much more vague can a thesis statement be? How are CO2 emissions driving change, and what changes are being driven? Am I supposed to suspend my disbelief and think in terms of "climate" miracles that violate the laws of physics? Is this a case whereby I am supposed to accept that by "changes" the authors could mean absolutely anything and thus I should just simply FEAR the worst ...as opposed to demanding that the authors specify exactly what changes they mean?
4. The one thing that could support the fear-mongering intended by this article is conspicuously omitted. Where's the complete set of raw, unfudged, unmodified, unaltered, unadjusted, uncooked, unsalted, untweaked data of global ocean pH values? If the data are available, why werethey not published for public scrutiny to put the issue to rest? If the answer is that there is no such data supporting the authors' claims, why are they pushing this fear-mongering (...and hence we go back to assuming they are a bunch of Marxists).


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
14-10-2015 15:20
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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@ comrade IBdaMann - Yes! Continue onward glorious comrade with this climate hoax propaganda. Soon all foolish U.S. citizens well fall under your relentless hypnotic spell, and then we can take over with our plans to dominate the smog filled world under our demonic socialist vision of peace and happiness for everyone!

By the way, after we do dominate this smog filled world with our demonic socialist vision of peace and happiness for everyone, I'm still gonna get that 8 bedroom house with the olympic size swimming pool, two tennis courts, and his and hers Bently's you promised me, aren't I? (just asking)


The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards

1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator!
2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking!
3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers!
4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen!
15-10-2015 05:49
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:By the way, after we do dominate this smog filled world with our demonic socialist vision of peace and happiness for everyone, I'm still gonna get that 8 bedroom house with the olympic size swimming pool, two tennis courts, and his and hers Bently's you promised me, aren't I? (just asking)

I tell all my Marxist brothers in solidarity, that I will support their Marxist revolution 100% as long as *I* get to be the guy who redistributes the wealth.

Absolutely, 8-bedroom house going your way, definitely!


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
15-10-2015 16:12
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Great, could you make that beach-front ocean property somewhere where the pH of the saline is 8.1?

Can't talk anymore as I'm at Bed, Bath and Beyond stocking up new goodies for that 8-bedroom cottage, right now! Here's a selfie of me with the friendly sales clerk who's helping me find a remote control for my life:




The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards

1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator!
2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking!
3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers!
4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen!

Edited on 15-10-2015 16:13
15-10-2015 20:22
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:
Great, could you make that beach-front ocean property somewhere where the pH of the saline is 8.1?

Two issues you're going to have to accept:

1. That will put you house on sand as the sea level lowers and pushes "beachfront property" further out...and

2. Sustained ocean pH of 8.16 is the lowest anyone can go, but it's that way for everyone.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
15-10-2015 21:02
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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@IBdaMann - I have no problem with either of those as:

1. I plan to fill my garage with a coral of dune buggies.

2. Not when I pee in it (he has no idea of how large my bladder is).

15-10-2015 21:56
IBdaMann
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litesong wrote:Methane plumes are bubbling up from the continental shelf off the Oregon & Washington state coasts. Possibly similar to methane plumes found to be increasing in the Siberian Arctic Ocean continental shelf & other regions, it'll be interesting to monitor the activity..... possibly easier to do than the Arctic Ocean methane bubbles.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151014132455.htm


Wait! This was foretold in the Global Warming Book of Revelations as one of the signs of the END of the WORLD. We don't have long now.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
15-10-2015 23:33
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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@IBdaMann - what website is your post supposed to be on? I can't find anyone named "litesong" on the Climate-debate.com user's list
16-10-2015 14:57
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - what website is your post supposed to be on? I can't find anyone named "litesong" on the Climate-debate.com user's list

Sorry, this is from a different site. I had mentioned litesong previously and I used his post to kill two birds with one stone.

1. I wanted to show you that you're not alone in your fatalistic interpretation of natural events, and

2. Show Creist that there are others that babble better than he. This was litesong's clearest post to date.

I admit that I should have been clearer but I was posting quickly. litesong posts on the site frequented by Into the Night, Earthling-1 and myself.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
16-10-2015 17:29
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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@IBdaMann - Can you give me the URL of the other site (the one with litesong)? I'd love to join in the fun!


The 2015 M2C2 (Global 9/11) Denialist Troll Awards

1st Place - Jep Branner - Our Stupid Administrator!
2nd Place - IBdaMann - Science IS cherry picking!
3rd Place - Into the Night - Mr. Nonsense numbers!
4th Place - Tim the plumber - The Drivel Queen!
16-10-2015 18:01
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - Can you give me the URL of the other site (the one with litesong)? I'd love to join in the fun!


Sure, but you might very well be disappointed. This site is the lowest of the low.

You might as well start here: http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warming/TLCPIUEV4VB5OCE0D/p122

Jump to the last few posts.

I'll give you a scorecard of the players in a pm. You'll get a kick out of it. Right off the bat, however, look for Patriot AKA Bozo, LessHypeMoreFact and SpaceBlues to be on your team. OzRitz should be your team captain (you and he are very well aligned politically).


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
16-10-2015 23:31
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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@IBdaMann - oh my god! I got a headache just looking at it. It's like watching Batman and the Joker have a proxy fight via dueling slide-rule calculations.



I think I'll just stay here where at least some of the people get my sense of humor.
Edited on 16-10-2015 23:32
17-10-2015 05:29
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:I think I'll just stay here where at least some of the people get my sense of humor.

Actually, you should make it a point to pop over to Topix every so often, if for no other reason to see how far litesong is off in reporting Arctic temperatures.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
17-10-2015 05:44
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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@IBdaMann - can't say I'd love too. Gotta admit, I just took a little look around, but what I saw actually hurt my brain. Geez, I get having a disagreement, but when you gotta magnify every freaking detail to the point that string theory looks like the land of giants, maybe you need to get out more often. No, I'll stay here where I don't have to pull out a Texas Instruments science algorithm calculator to interpret what everyone's saying.
17-10-2015 06:06
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:
@IBdaMann - can't say I'd love too. Gotta admit, I just took a little look around, but what I saw actually hurt my brain. Geez, I get having a disagreement, but when you gotta magnify every freaking detail to the point that string theory looks like the land of giants, maybe you need to get out more often. No, I'll stay here where I don't have to pull out a Texas Instruments science algorithm calculator to interpret what everyone's saying.

I'll keep you posted if anything interesting is going on over there.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist




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