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Is involuntary population control the answer to man-made climate change?10-10-2015 02:55
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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Most people who agree about the key components of M2C2 (man-made climate change) also agree that overpopulation is one of the major contributing factors to this problem. Logically, then, it would seem that population reduction would be a practical way to start solving it.

Unfortunately, the Chinese tried doing this with their one-child program which ended in disastrous results centering around the mass genocide of baby girls (culturally, baby boys were more highly valued, and if you could only have one baby... well, you get the idea).

Yet, even if we don't do it ourselves, other kinds of involuntary population control could occur as M2C2 evolves, including from:

1. Epidemics and plagues which happen as M2C2 alters the biosphere allowing previously non-pathogenic viruses and bacteria to become lethal contagions.

2. Droughts and famines causing wide-spread starvation, especially in equatorial regions.

3. M2C2 wars over food, territory and refugee displacement.

Maybe if the powers that be can convince the rest of us that we should just sit back and ignore M2C2, then over the coming decades enough people will be killed off, resulting in a gradual slowing down of, and then an end to, this problem.

Of course only a few billion people would probably be fortunate enough, and rich enough, to survive and enjoy this newly depopulated world.

Has anyone checked with the 99% to see how they feel about this?
11-10-2015 05:00
IBdaMann
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trafn wrote:
Most people who agree about the key components of M2C2 (man-made climate change) also agree that overpopulation is one of the major contributing factors to this problem.

What are the "key components" and with whose definition of "climate"? I ask because most "climate" faithful use a definition that differs from yours.

Regarding the key components, if you wouldn't mind, please break them down into the following categories:
1) Major contributing factors
2) Major non-contributing factors
3) Minor contributing factors
4) Minor non-contributing factors

Thanks. That will make it easier to discuss.


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11-10-2015 14:47
trafnProfile picture★★★☆☆
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Hi IBdaMann,

Why, yes, I'd love to have a discussion with you focused upon the key components of M2C2. However, this thread is about the possibility of M2C2 induced involuntary population control.

If you'd be willing to start a new thread about the key components, I'd be happy to consider participating in it.

As for this thread, I prefer to stay on topic.


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11-10-2015 16:41
drm
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Trafn - fertility rates are dropping the world over. They are already below replacement rates in many wealthier countries (which brings it's own challenges) but are dropping, sometimes precipitously, in almost every country. Fertility trends precede actual population trends so it is reasonable to think that the planet's human population will peak some time later this century if these trends continue. Voluntary assistance (family planning, etc) is all that is needed.

As to disastrous population crashes - such an event would bring such chaos and lack of rule of law that nobody including most of the wealthiest would be leading nice lives after it. Those who do the best would probably be in more remote parts of the world and with cultures that could hold together under such stresses. I'm thinking New Zealand for example. Poor people in rural areas who already have knowledge about living off the land might be in a much better situation than the rich who think they can buy everything they need. Once money becomes campfire kindling, they won't be so rich any more. But this is for a major population crash. AGW could very well lead to something less, like population declines regionally due to drought-caused agricultural failures in places that are barely producing enough food for their population as it is now, something that I think is very possible if we let a business-as-usual strategy continue wrt AGW.
Edited on 11-10-2015 16:47
11-10-2015 16:44
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This forum appears to be suffering a bout of one man diarrhea, not attractive to prospective members.
11-10-2015 21:33
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drm - Yes, those seem like possible moderate to bad spectrum possibilities. You can only wonder how far things will have to get (who or what will be AGW's "Rock Hudson") before the mainstream wakes up. The longer they stay asleep, the likelier it is well end at the worse end of that spectrum.

Earthling - Sorry you don't like the content here. If you disagree with what's being said, please let us know why, or perhaps start a new thread where we can all discuss it.


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