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Slayer94
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We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.
20-03-2017 21:41
Surface Detail
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Slayer94 wrote:
We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.

Individual extreme weather conditions are not "proof" that the climate is changing, though a trend of extreme weather could possibly be indicative of climate change.

Although climatologists are virtually certain that things like the mean global temperature and sea level will continue to rise, it is difficult to predict exactly what this means in terms of regional weather. It is currently predicted are that storms will probably not increase in frequency but are likely to increase in strength, though a lot of uncertainly still remains here.
RE: Heat Stroke21-03-2017 14:19
samijafri
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Slayer94 wrote:
We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.


I watched the video and observed that this could be the reason of global warming that two extreme weathers(i.e Extreme hot and Extreme cold) changes within a time frame of just 24 hours.
Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming and results in abrupt changes in weather.
as i belong to Asia, there was a extreme weather change in 2015 that temperature was raised to 50 degree centigrade which was a abrupt change in temperature and due to that Heat Stroke many causalities were reported.
21-03-2017 15:58
still learning
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samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?
21-03-2017 17:08
GasGuzzler
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Slayer94 wrote:
We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.


Spot.
Do you see the deceptive narrative your side is selling? And they are buying it. Kudos to climate change alarmist Surface Detail for setting this record straight. Extreme weather events are certainly nothing new.
Something to consider when looking at increased local weather events......
With the development of better radar technology, we are able to look inside storms and know exactly what they are doing. Radar will accurately estimate amount of rain fallen, and can then be ground truth verified in that area. In 1945, if 10 inches of rain fell on the Johnson farm, Mr Johnson was out rescuing cattle and shoring up operations, and reporting accurate weather data was the last thing on his mind. Today, it is highly automated. In other words, the NOAA never received entire data sets until automation, and some have called into question the calibration of those instruments.
Different in communist/socialist countries. Heating fuel budgets were set according to the previous years temps/usage. Numbers were often reported a degree or 2 colder than actual in order to preserve the next years heating fuel allocation. These colder than real numbers went into the record books and when they go on the graph with today's possibly hotter than actual temp, iy looks like a tremendous spike.
Take a look at some graphs of weather events and you can see it's pretty consistent over time. These are mostly NOAA and can be found at https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-heavy-precipitation


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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Edited on 21-03-2017 17:14
21-03-2017 17:10
GasGuzzler
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and this


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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21-03-2017 17:10
GasGuzzler
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heat wave lower 48 states US


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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Edited on 21-03-2017 17:38
21-03-2017 17:11
GasGuzzler
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lower 48 average drought indicator


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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Edited on 21-03-2017 17:38
21-03-2017 17:11
GasGuzzler
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worldwide precipitation


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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Edited on 21-03-2017 17:34
21-03-2017 17:12
GasGuzzler
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unusually high precip event lower 48 states US


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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Edited on 21-03-2017 17:36
21-03-2017 17:41
Into the Night
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samijafri wrote:
Slayer94 wrote:
We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.


I watched the video and observed that this could be the reason of global warming that two extreme weathers(i.e Extreme hot and Extreme cold) changes within a time frame of just 24 hours.
Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming and results in abrupt changes in weather.
as i belong to Asia, there was a extreme weather change in 2015 that temperature was raised to 50 degree centigrade which was a abrupt change in temperature and due to that Heat Stroke many causalities were reported.


The ozone layer is not depleting. As long as we have sunlight and oxygen, we will have ozone. We can't stop the process of it's natural decay every night and natural rebuilding every day.


The Parrot Killer
21-03-2017 20:42
Wake
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Slayer94 wrote:
We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.


Spot.
Do you see the deceptive narrative your side is selling? And they are buying it. Kudos to climate change alarmist Surface Detail for setting this record straight. Extreme weather events are certainly nothing new.
Something to consider when looking at increased local weather events......
With the development of better radar technology, we are able to look inside storms and know exactly what they are doing. Radar will accurately estimate amount of rain fallen, and can then be ground truth verified in that area. In 1945, if 10 inches of rain fell on the Johnson farm, Mr Johnson was out rescuing cattle and shoring up operations, and reporting accurate weather data was the last thing on his mind. Today, it is highly automated. In other words, the NOAA never received entire data sets until automation, and some have called into question the calibration of those instruments.
Different in communist/socialist countries. Heating fuel budgets were set according to the previous years temps/usage. Numbers were often reported a degree or 2 colder than actual in order to preserve the next years heating fuel allocation. These colder than real numbers went into the record books and when they go on the graph with today's possibly hotter than actual temp, iy looks like a tremendous spike.
Take a look at some graphs of weather events and you can see it's pretty consistent over time. These are mostly NOAA and can be found at https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-heavy-precipitation


Do you suppose for one second that The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse care that they have nothing more than a ball of lies?
21-03-2017 20:47
Wake
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Slayer94 wrote:
We all know that extreme weather conditions are proof for climate change. In this thread we can share our experience.
https://youtu.be/ETS2EtFMsA8
Those videos were filmed 24 hours apart.


Extreme weather events means nothing whatsoever. In fact, extremes such as tornadoes and hurricanes and typhoons have been slightly less than usual. And that means nothing more than the weather patterns have been slightly different than normal.
21-03-2017 20:52
GasGuzzler
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Wake wrote:
Do you suppose for one second that The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse care that they have nothing more than a ball of lies?


No sir I do not.

Here's one important graph I forgot to throw in. We continue to here about the drought in India and how it is entirely the fault of your tail pipe. No doubt it is dry in India. but there's nothing new here and no trend here.


Fartsong wrote: Stuff your shit, you AGW denier liar whiner!
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21-03-2017 22:51
Wake
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Wake wrote:
Do you suppose for one second that The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse care that they have nothing more than a ball of lies?


No sir I do not.

Here's one important graph I forgot to throw in. We continue to here about the drought in India and how it is entirely the fault of your tail pipe. No doubt it is dry in India. but there's nothing new here and no trend here.


Wouldn't you think that it would be money a great deal better spent to study farming methods in India capable of withstanding both wet and dry seasons?

Instead we have politicians who with to gain and retain power spending literally half a billion dollars just to run a single campaign (Hillary). These campaigns include using every possible scare tactic on this planet to do NOTHING but get another vote or two.

And what do we have instead? Ceist, surface defect, spot and Chief Crazysong fighting to spend MORE taxpayer money to pour yet more power into the hands of people that should not have it.
22-03-2017 14:59
samijafri
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still learning wrote:
samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?


It was Pakistan where there was a abrupt change in temperature from 35 to 50 degree centigrade. Might be there was another reason behind that abrupt change but that year there was a certain change all over the world. The melting of ice at Antartica was also the reason behind that climate change.
But it's an opinion not a judgement.
22-03-2017 15:41
Wake
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samijafri wrote:
still learning wrote:
samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?


It was Pakistan where there was a abrupt change in temperature from 35 to 50 degree centigrade. Might be there was another reason behind that abrupt change but that year there was a certain change all over the world. The melting of ice at Antartica was also the reason behind that climate change.
But it's an opinion not a judgement.


The "hole in the ozone layer" has always been in the Antarctic regions. It forms in the day and dissipates at night. With the changing of the tilt axis of the earth in the normal Milankovitch Cycle this "hole" will expand or shrink depending on the cycles. Which put a more direct angle on the upper atmosphere or more of an angle.

The reason that we have less of a hole in the polar regions is because we have different wind patterns caused by the northern hemisphere having FAR more land area than the southern hemisphere. This causes more mixing even as far up as the ozone layer in the upper Stratosphere.

The theory of CFC's causing ozone depletion was little more than a fleeting guess. As someone else here posted - IF you break up CFC so that the sub-components can react with ozone. they are so reactive that they can never make it out of the troposphere let along up onto the edge of space 30 miles up.
(Yes, I know that this isn't technically "space" but the atmospheric density is only 0.001 that of ground level).
22-03-2017 18:41
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
samijafri wrote:
still learning wrote:
samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?


It was Pakistan where there was a abrupt change in temperature from 35 to 50 degree centigrade. Might be there was another reason behind that abrupt change but that year there was a certain change all over the world. The melting of ice at Antartica was also the reason behind that climate change.
But it's an opinion not a judgement.


The "hole in the ozone layer" has always been in the Antarctic regions. It forms in the day and dissipates at night. With the changing of the tilt axis of the earth in the normal Milankovitch Cycle this "hole" will expand or shrink depending on the cycles. Which put a more direct angle on the upper atmosphere or more of an angle.

The reason that we have less of a hole in the polar regions is because we have different wind patterns caused by the northern hemisphere having FAR more land area than the southern hemisphere. This causes more mixing even as far up as the ozone layer in the upper Stratosphere.

The theory of CFC's causing ozone depletion was little more than a fleeting guess. As someone else here posted - IF you break up CFC so that the sub-components can react with ozone. they are so reactive that they can never make it out of the troposphere let along up onto the edge of space 30 miles up.
(Yes, I know that this isn't technically "space" but the atmospheric density is only 0.001 that of ground level).


Most ozone is formed at about 30,000 ft (or 6 miles up). This is nowhere near the edge of space. It is the bottom of the stratosphere.

The ozone 'hole' is there day and night. It occurs at both poles. It will hit a maximum size each winter for that pole (since a pole is not only the land of the Midnight Sun, but the land of the Noontime Dark). Even during that pole's summer, the ozone hole never closes completely.

The Sun at best gives this area of the atmosphere a glancing blow. Ozone does form even at the poles in the summer for that pole, but it is so thin it still is considered a 'hole'.


The Parrot Killer
22-03-2017 19:59
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
samijafri wrote:
still learning wrote:
samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?


It was Pakistan where there was a abrupt change in temperature from 35 to 50 degree centigrade. Might be there was another reason behind that abrupt change but that year there was a certain change all over the world. The melting of ice at Antartica was also the reason behind that climate change.
But it's an opinion not a judgement.


The "hole in the ozone layer" has always been in the Antarctic regions. It forms in the day and dissipates at night. With the changing of the tilt axis of the earth in the normal Milankovitch Cycle this "hole" will expand or shrink depending on the cycles. Which put a more direct angle on the upper atmosphere or more of an angle.

The reason that we have less of a hole in the polar regions is because we have different wind patterns caused by the northern hemisphere having FAR more land area than the southern hemisphere. This causes more mixing even as far up as the ozone layer in the upper Stratosphere.

The theory of CFC's causing ozone depletion was little more than a fleeting guess. As someone else here posted - IF you break up CFC so that the sub-components can react with ozone. they are so reactive that they can never make it out of the troposphere let along up onto the edge of space 30 miles up.
(Yes, I know that this isn't technically "space" but the atmospheric density is only 0.001 that of ground level).


Most ozone is formed at about 30,000 ft (or 6 miles up). This is nowhere near the edge of space. It is the bottom of the stratosphere.

The ozone 'hole' is there day and night. It occurs at both poles. It will hit a maximum size each winter for that pole (since a pole is not only the land of the Midnight Sun, but the land of the Noontime Dark). Even during that pole's summer, the ozone hole never closes completely.

The Sun at best gives this area of the atmosphere a glancing blow. Ozone does form even at the poles in the summer for that pole, but it is so thin it still is considered a 'hole'.


Actually I made a few mistakes in that entry:

Firstly I said 30 miles instead of 30 kilometers. However the pressure in this area is at 1 millibar so it sure is on the edge of space. At 30 miles it is at a 10th of a millibar.

Secondly I said that the hole formed in the day and dissipated in the night. That is opposite. The hole STARTS to dissipate in the day and forms more strongly again at night.

The inclination of the Earth causes the UV rays to strike the Earth at an oblique angle at this point in the Milankovitch Cycles. This causes a great deal of the rays to bounce off into space again as you note.

While it does so also in the Arctic regions it is far less because more direct angles to the UV.

And the land masses of the northern hemisphere cause a great deal more mixing due to winds and weather patterns.

But there will sooner or later be the cry of HOLES IN THE OZONE soon enough with regard to the Arctic regions.
23-03-2017 20:53
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
samijafri wrote:
still learning wrote:
samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?


It was Pakistan where there was a abrupt change in temperature from 35 to 50 degree centigrade. Might be there was another reason behind that abrupt change but that year there was a certain change all over the world. The melting of ice at Antartica was also the reason behind that climate change.
But it's an opinion not a judgement.


The "hole in the ozone layer" has always been in the Antarctic regions. It forms in the day and dissipates at night. With the changing of the tilt axis of the earth in the normal Milankovitch Cycle this "hole" will expand or shrink depending on the cycles. Which put a more direct angle on the upper atmosphere or more of an angle.

The reason that we have less of a hole in the polar regions is because we have different wind patterns caused by the northern hemisphere having FAR more land area than the southern hemisphere. This causes more mixing even as far up as the ozone layer in the upper Stratosphere.

The theory of CFC's causing ozone depletion was little more than a fleeting guess. As someone else here posted - IF you break up CFC so that the sub-components can react with ozone. they are so reactive that they can never make it out of the troposphere let along up onto the edge of space 30 miles up.
(Yes, I know that this isn't technically "space" but the atmospheric density is only 0.001 that of ground level).


Most ozone is formed at about 30,000 ft (or 6 miles up). This is nowhere near the edge of space. It is the bottom of the stratosphere.

The ozone 'hole' is there day and night. It occurs at both poles. It will hit a maximum size each winter for that pole (since a pole is not only the land of the Midnight Sun, but the land of the Noontime Dark). Even during that pole's summer, the ozone hole never closes completely.

The Sun at best gives this area of the atmosphere a glancing blow. Ozone does form even at the poles in the summer for that pole, but it is so thin it still is considered a 'hole'.


Actually I made a few mistakes in that entry:

Firstly I said 30 miles instead of 30 kilometers. However the pressure in this area is at 1 millibar so it sure is on the edge of space. At 30 miles it is at a 10th of a millibar.

Secondly I said that the hole formed in the day and dissipated in the night. That is opposite. The hole STARTS to dissipate in the day and forms more strongly again at night.

The inclination of the Earth causes the UV rays to strike the Earth at an oblique angle at this point in the Milankovitch Cycles. This causes a great deal of the rays to bounce off into space again as you note.

While it does so also in the Arctic regions it is far less because more direct angles to the UV.

And the land masses of the northern hemisphere cause a great deal more mixing due to winds and weather patterns.

But there will sooner or later be the cry of HOLES IN THE OZONE soon enough with regard to the Arctic regions.


Actually, the layer where ozone tends to form (at the bottom of the stratosphere) is about 200mbar. The TOP of the stratosphere (where ozone destruction tends to take place due to UV-C light influence) has a pressure of about 1mbar.

The Milankovitch Cycle doesn't really have a big affect over recent times here, since the cycle is so long. It's essentially a non-factor.

The production and destruction of ozone is why the stratosphere has a reverse temperature gradient with altitude.


The Parrot Killer
24-03-2017 02:24
Surface Detail
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Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
samijafri wrote:
still learning wrote:
samijafri wrote:

Ozone layer is depleting because of man made causes(Fossil fuels etc) which cause global warming


Are you saying that ozone layer depletion is a cause of global warming?

It's not.

Ozone layer depletion and global warming have little to do with one another. That there is little connection between the two is pretty basic. If you want to begin learning about the causes of man-made climate change, try here: https://skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

I'm curious though, where and when did that 50 degree in 24 hours change happen?


It was Pakistan where there was a abrupt change in temperature from 35 to 50 degree centigrade. Might be there was another reason behind that abrupt change but that year there was a certain change all over the world. The melting of ice at Antartica was also the reason behind that climate change.
But it's an opinion not a judgement.


The "hole in the ozone layer" has always been in the Antarctic regions. It forms in the day and dissipates at night. With the changing of the tilt axis of the earth in the normal Milankovitch Cycle this "hole" will expand or shrink depending on the cycles. Which put a more direct angle on the upper atmosphere or more of an angle.

The reason that we have less of a hole in the polar regions is because we have different wind patterns caused by the northern hemisphere having FAR more land area than the southern hemisphere. This causes more mixing even as far up as the ozone layer in the upper Stratosphere.

The theory of CFC's causing ozone depletion was little more than a fleeting guess. As someone else here posted - IF you break up CFC so that the sub-components can react with ozone. they are so reactive that they can never make it out of the troposphere let along up onto the edge of space 30 miles up.
(Yes, I know that this isn't technically "space" but the atmospheric density is only 0.001 that of ground level).


Most ozone is formed at about 30,000 ft (or 6 miles up). This is nowhere near the edge of space. It is the bottom of the stratosphere.

The ozone 'hole' is there day and night. It occurs at both poles. It will hit a maximum size each winter for that pole (since a pole is not only the land of the Midnight Sun, but the land of the Noontime Dark). Even during that pole's summer, the ozone hole never closes completely.

The Sun at best gives this area of the atmosphere a glancing blow. Ozone does form even at the poles in the summer for that pole, but it is so thin it still is considered a 'hole'.


Actually I made a few mistakes in that entry:

Firstly I said 30 miles instead of 30 kilometers. However the pressure in this area is at 1 millibar so it sure is on the edge of space. At 30 miles it is at a 10th of a millibar.

Secondly I said that the hole formed in the day and dissipated in the night. That is opposite. The hole STARTS to dissipate in the day and forms more strongly again at night.

The inclination of the Earth causes the UV rays to strike the Earth at an oblique angle at this point in the Milankovitch Cycles. This causes a great deal of the rays to bounce off into space again as you note.

While it does so also in the Arctic regions it is far less because more direct angles to the UV.

And the land masses of the northern hemisphere cause a great deal more mixing due to winds and weather patterns.

But there will sooner or later be the cry of HOLES IN THE OZONE soon enough with regard to the Arctic regions.


Actually, the layer where ozone tends to form (at the bottom of the stratosphere) is about 200mbar. The TOP of the stratosphere (where ozone destruction tends to take place due to UV-C light influence) has a pressure of about 1mbar.

The Milankovitch Cycle doesn't really have a big affect over recent times here, since the cycle is so long. It's essentially a non-factor.

The production and destruction of ozone is why the stratosphere has a reverse temperature gradient with altitude.

Blimey, yes, I'd largely agree with that. Bit of a first, I think!




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