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Ever Wonder If The warming Arctic Ocean Is Causing This ?05-01-2018 16:42
James_
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BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html
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05-01-2018 17:20
Into the Night
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It's not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean.

Yet another graph of random numbers.
05-01-2018 18:06
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
It's not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean.

Yet another graph of random numbers.


Yet another incredibly stupid statement from the King of Stupid Statements.
05-01-2018 18:18
Wake
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James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.
05-01-2018 18:47
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.


It is not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean. You are quoting random numbers just as James is. What makes you think your random numbers are better than his?


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 05-01-2018 18:48
05-01-2018 23:02
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.


It is not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean. You are quoting random numbers just as James is. What makes you think your random numbers are better than his?


You are showing your moron-ism again. Though it is getting more entertaining.
06-01-2018 02:01
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed:...ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" would like to believe such, because the solar TSI has been languid for many decades & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period setting a 100 year record low). However, anomalous sea surface temperatures appear NOT to show any strong cooling & may actually be slightly warmer.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2018/anomnight.1.1.2018.gif

More cute info:
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4406
Edited on 06-01-2018 02:17
06-01-2018 02:17
Wake
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" wiffed:...ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time (plus 1) threatener wake-me-up" would like to believe such, because the solar TSI has been languid for many decades & low for 11+ years (including a 3+ year period setting a 100 year record low). However, anomalous sea surface temperatures appear NOT to show any strong cooling & may actually be slightly warmer.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2018/anomnight.1.1.2018.gif


Don't like nightmare being compared with you huh?

http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-non-global-warming-graphs-from-2017-pummel-claims-of-unusual-modern-warmth/#sthash.xOMSjuoT.3bZXqLHE.dpbs
06-01-2018 19:34
James_
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Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.



Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.
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Edited on 06-01-2018 19:37
06-01-2018 20:46
Into the Night
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James_ wrote:
Wake wrote:
[quote]James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.



The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.



Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.



Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region).

More random numbers and graphs. You guys are just trying to justify each of your set of random numbers as somehow being 'better' than the other.
James_ wrote:
Such a warming can shift a polar vortex.

The term 'polar vortex' is a news media term. Most people in meteorology just call it the Polar High.
James_ wrote:
And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.

The only thing that can change Earth's temperature is changes in the Sun.
James_ wrote:
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters.

High pressure forms due to cold air sinking, not because warm air is rising.
James_ wrote:
Thermodynamics allows for that.

Actually, it doesn't. Meteorology doesn't allow for that either. Warm air only creates pressure in closed containers. The atmosphere is not in a closed container.

In the atmosphere, warm air moves upward, leaving LESS pressure at the surface. It is WARM air moving upward into colder air that causes the hurricane, the storm, the fog, etc. The warm air cools as it rises, because it is losing pressure.

COLD air sinking causes high pressure at the surface. As the cold air sinks, it warms, because it is gaining pressure.

This 'conveyor' system of moving air helps to cool the surface by giving a larger area to radiate from, just like a radiator in a car.
James_ wrote:
And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.

No one knows the temperature of the oceans or of any significant part of the oceans. Warm ocean water moves upward, just like warm air does.


The Parrot Killer
07-01-2018 18:29
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: The only thing that can change Earth's temperature is changes in the Sun.
Yes, yes. "old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" says that often. However, Earth bio-sphere temperature can be changed independent of the solar TSI.... & is. The solar TSI has been languid for many decades & low for 11+ years (including 3+ years setting a 100 year record low). Yet, Earth bio-sphere temperatures have been above the 20th century average for 395+ straight months. In order for Earth bio-sphere temperatures NOT to be rising, those temperatures must be reduced below 20th century average. Not only that but those temperatures have to remain below the 20th century for 395+ straight months . AND because solar TSI is low, real proof would be if temperatures remained low for hundreds more straight months.
For 10-20 years, old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy slimebarf steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiners have predicted Earth bio-sphere temps to drop(presumably & continuously below the 20th century average, to show no Earth bio-sphere warming). For 10-20 years, their predictions have been continuously wrong.
07-01-2018 18:56
Wake
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James_ wrote:
Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.



Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.


James - none of that is measured temperatures. It is modeled and It was for February of 2014. We already know that those models are absolutely useless.

http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-non-global-warming-graphs-from-2017-pummel-claims-of-unusual-modern-warmth/#sthash.xOMSjuoT.mkfYvkZd.dpbs
07-01-2018 22:23
James_
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Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.



Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.


James - none of that is measured temperatures. It is modeled and It was for February of 2014. We already know that those models are absolutely useless.
http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-non-global-warming-graphs-from-2017-pummel-claims-of-unusual-modern-warmth/#sthash.xOMSjuoT.mkfYvkZd.dpbs


Wake,
What you showed is more for drought prediction. That can be caused by any number of factors. The graph I posted shows sea surface temperature relative to an average over a number of decades. They usually use at least a 30 year period to determine an average.
Edited on 07-01-2018 22:40
07-01-2018 22:47
Into the Night
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James_ wrote:
Wake,
What you showed is more for drought prediction. That can be caused by any number of factors. The graph I posted shows sea surface temperature relative to an average over a number of decades. They usually use at least a 30 year period to determine an average.


It's not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean.


The Parrot Killer
07-01-2018 23:15
Wake
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James_ wrote:
Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
Wake wrote:
James_ wrote:
BOSTON (AP) — Frigid temperatures, some that could feel as cold as minus 30 degrees, moved across the East Coast on Friday as the region attempted to clean up from a massive winter storm that brought more than a foot of snow, hurricane-force winds and coastal flooding a day earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/east-coast-braces-deep-freeze-following-massive-storm-054655021.html


The problem is that the ocean temperatures aren't warming - they're cooling.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

Except for Bergen Pt. NY, the water temperatures for the eastern seaboard are lower to far lower than normal. The Gulf of Mexico cooler than normal. The Pacific coast if close to normal.

What it appears to be is that there are some current shifts and that will have to be studied.



Wake,
wrong set of numbers. The graph below shows a warm area near the Russian coast. The green area which is below the average sea surface temperature is actually above the north american continent (The graph takes into account that sea surface temperatures differ and shows the deviation from normal for that area/region). Such a warming can shift a polar vortex. And at the end of the day the average temperature might change by a minuscule amount.
If the warm area has a high pressure area above it then that could be because thermal heat is being radiated from the warmer waters. Thermodynamics allows for that. And the Greenland Sea abyss can flow into that area. This matters because that abyss is warming and it's heat has to go somewhere.


James - none of that is measured temperatures. It is modeled and It was for February of 2014. We already know that those models are absolutely useless.
http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-non-global-warming-graphs-from-2017-pummel-claims-of-unusual-modern-warmth/#sthash.xOMSjuoT.mkfYvkZd.dpbs


Wake,
What you showed is more for drought prediction. That can be caused by any number of factors. The graph I posted shows sea surface temperature relative to an average over a number of decades. They usually use at least a 30 year period to determine an average.


My original reference showed the temperatures of the oceans around the entire US. The important thing there was that water temperatures were almost all normal or below normal. Where they weren't it appeared that there must have been a shift in currents - the Gulf Stream is the largest such current in the world. It is also the source of the warmth of the north-eastern US.

Again, when two things occur at the same time that does not mean that they are connected in any manner. That is, they usually are not cause and effect.
Edited on 07-01-2018 23:41
08-01-2018 08:10
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
My original reference showed the temperatures of the oceans around the entire US.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of any ocean.
Wake wrote:
The important thing there was that water temperatures were almost all normal or below normal.

Argument from randU.
Wake wrote:
Where they weren't it appeared that there must have been a shift in currents -

Currents shift all the time. This is normal.
Wake wrote:
the Gulf Stream is the largest such current in the world. It is also the source of the warmth of the north-eastern US.

WRONG. The largest current in the world is the Antarctic Cicumpolar current. This is followed by the North and South Equatorial currents, and the Equatorial Counter current. The Gulf Stream is actually only a relatively smaller current compared to these. It's important to the United States because it carries warm water up along the eastern seaboard. The Gulf Stream is fed by the much larger North Equatorial Atlantic current (in combination with the Caribbean current), and it ends, feeding into the North Atlantic Current (a bit smaller than the Gulf Stream).

I thought you said you were a sailor.

Wake wrote:
Again, when two things occur at the same time that does not mean that they are connected in any manner. That is, they usually are not cause and effect.

This part is almost correct. It means they MAY be cause and effect, or they MAY NOT be cause and effect. There is no 'usual' about it.


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