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31-08-2017 19:15
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Point is, the more we can move towards the founders intention for the structure and role of gov the better. I'm sure you'd agree with that?


Certainly. But what we need is a sharp reduction in the power of government. This is NOT what the Democrats want. They want a government so powerful they can enslave the entire human race.


We need to get the government to return to honoring the Constitution that defines it and creates it.

For too long they have exceeded their authority in many areas.


The Parrot Killer
31-08-2017 23:25
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Point is, the more we can move towards the founders intention for the structure and role of gov the better. I'm sure you'd agree with that?


I'm not sure he knows what the intentions of the founders WAS. He doesn't seem to know how they came to their opinions.


What we can be sure of is that you will hug modern definitions to yourself as a defense when the founders of this country saw only three forms of government - a dictatorship, a monarchy and a democracy.

They wanted Washington to be a Monarch and he refused. So they went with a democracy with built-in protections from majority rule.

It is normal for you to argue that no one else knows what they're talking about after reading your right wing gossip columns. But what actually happened is more definitive than your imagination.
01-09-2017 00:22
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Point is, the more we can move towards the founders intention for the structure and role of gov the better. I'm sure you'd agree with that?


I'm not sure he knows what the intentions of the founders WAS. He doesn't seem to know how they came to their opinions.


What we can be sure of is that you will hug modern definitions to yourself as a defense when the founders of this country saw only three forms of government - a dictatorship, a monarchy and a democracy.

WRONG. They knew of many forms of government more than that!

The United States is built on three pillars of western thought. The founders knew what those pillars are and why they should be used.

From ancient Greece they took the idea of local government.

From Rome they took the idea of the republican form of government (before the dictators came along and ruined Rome). This is government by constitution. By law, not men.

From Israel they took the idea of laws and rights above men, and the concept of natural (or God given) laws and rights of Man.

They also took from Rome the bit of democracy that is used to elect officers to that government.

Wake wrote:
They wanted Washington to be a Monarch and he refused.

WRONG. They wanted Washington to be basically President for Life and he refused. A President of the United States is not a monarch (despite the opinions of Obama).
Wake wrote:
So they went with a democracy with built-in protections from majority rule.

Democracies don't have protections from majority rule. Only republics, oligarches, and dictatorships do. Of these, only one offers liberty and freedom...the republic.
Wake wrote:
It is normal for you to argue that no one else knows what they're talking about after reading your right wing gossip columns.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What 'right wing gossip column' do you think I read?!?
Wake wrote:
But what actually happened is more definitive than your imagination.

You have no idea what happened. You might trying reading the Federalist papers and other documents those folks left behind. You might even try studying the history of Western Civilization and especially concentrate on that bit of English history that inspired such great documents as the Magna Carta.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 01-09-2017 00:25
01-09-2017 01:01
GreenMan
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Wake wrote:
GreenMan wrote:
Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
GreenMan wrote:
Wake wrote:
GreenMan wrote: This graph shows what the average global temperature will climb to, if nothing changes.


So you show a graph in which the temperature has done this many times before exactly like this and recovered all by itself and now you're saying something must be done.

You certainly demonstrate a mental capacity of a blackhead.


Did you bother to look at the graph, dingle berry? The average temperature has never been that high. If you need help interpreting graphs, you should probably visit your local elementary school. I'm sure they have a 1st grade teacher that can help you.


It's not possible to determine the temperature of the Earth to any useful degree of accuracy.

This graph is manufactured data.


Certainly it's manufactured - he said it was a model. But then he shows cyclic temperature variation of which most of the peaks are higher than the present one and tells us that it's never been so hot. Exactly what sort of moron would do that?


I was talking about what the model projects for 1000 years from now, moron.

And yes, the model's output is manufactured data, that is being compared to data obtained from ice cores that indicate the temperature of the air when the ice was formed.


So not only are you inventing past climate for a hundred thousand years but now you're modeling climate into the future for 1000 years when all of the scientists say that there is insufficient evidence to justify any predictions.

I didn't know that all of the scientists say there there is insufficient evidence to justify any predictions.
And I didn't invent any past climate. That is for schoolboys. I went with the real deal. And I didn't stop at a hundred thousand years, I took it out to eight hundred thousand years. That's a big number. Can you say that number? It's almost a million. Can you say million? That's a long time in dog years.

The arctic regions average annual temperature stays close to the same as the earth's average annual temperature, minus a few degrees. So you can use Antarctic ice cores as a reliable proxy for the earth's average temperature. There would be some error though. For example, the ice would indicate that the world's average temperature would be about 3C higher than it really is, because some of the arctic regions are warming a little more than the rest of the planet. But even with that amount of potential error, the model backcasted it quite accurately. In fact, the model's output is plus or minus 3C over the entire range.

So yes, I feel comfortable with using it to predict one thousand years into the future. Though I did, as a result of a conversation in here recently, realize that I was using too high of a Greenhouse Gas Concentration for the projection. I was using Mauna Loa readings. As Professor Parrot Face pointed out, that is not the average global concentration. That is just the northern hemisphere average, if even that. The northern hemisphere is where most of man made greenhouse gases come from, so it would read higher than the planet's average concentration.

It was simple enough to align the two concentrations. The "ground 0" concentration is for the year 1950. Mauna Loa data became available a few years after that. So it was just a matter of comparing the two readings to determine the error ratio, which was 8%. Mauna Loa was reading 8% higher than the ice. That means that the model should be using 92% of the Mauna Loa readings for its calculation into the future. And that did lower what the projected temperature should be to 50C, which is 15C less than I previously stated.

So what kind of research have you done?
Wake wrote:

It must be hell to be a moron. Tell me, doesn't it hurt to be that stupid?


I'm thinking you would know for sure, but I'm going to guess that it is more like perpetual bliss. You get to sit around singing how great thou art all the time, don't you?


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01-09-2017 04:46
Into the Night
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GreenMan wrote:
The arctic regions average annual temperature stays close to the same as the earth's average annual temperature, minus a few degrees.
Argument from randU. You are still making up numbers out of thick air.
GreenMan wrote:
So you can use Antarctic ice cores as a reliable proxy for the earth's average temperature.

Math error: Selection by opportunity. failure to normalize with paired randR. failure to calculate margin of error, assumption of aspect of data, failure to eliminate influencing aspects of data.

You have no idea what Earth's temperature was.
You have no idea what Earth's temperature is now.
You have no idea what Earth's temperature is going to be in the future.

You don't even have valid data.


The Parrot Killer
01-09-2017 15:45
Wake
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Into the Night wrote:
GreenMan wrote:
The arctic regions average annual temperature stays close to the same as the earth's average annual temperature, minus a few degrees.
Argument from randU. You are still making up numbers out of thick air.
GreenMan wrote:
So you can use Antarctic ice cores as a reliable proxy for the earth's average temperature.

Math error: Selection by opportunity. failure to normalize with paired randR. failure to calculate margin of error, assumption of aspect of data, failure to eliminate influencing aspects of data.

You have no idea what Earth's temperature was.
You have no idea what Earth's temperature is now.
You have no idea what Earth's temperature is going to be in the future.

You don't even have valid data.


As the plant stomata research has shown - although you can approximate precipitation via ice cores and hence make wild-assed guesses at temperatures even the CO2 levels are only the wildest averages.
01-09-2017 19:15
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
GreenMan wrote:
The arctic regions average annual temperature stays close to the same as the earth's average annual temperature, minus a few degrees.
Argument from randU. You are still making up numbers out of thick air.
GreenMan wrote:
So you can use Antarctic ice cores as a reliable proxy for the earth's average temperature.

Math error: Selection by opportunity. failure to normalize with paired randR. failure to calculate margin of error, assumption of aspect of data, failure to eliminate influencing aspects of data.

You have no idea what Earth's temperature was.
You have no idea what Earth's temperature is now.
You have no idea what Earth's temperature is going to be in the future.

You don't even have valid data.


As the plant stomata research has shown - although you can approximate precipitation via ice cores and hence make wild-assed guesses at temperatures even the CO2 levels are only the wildest averages.


At best you can make wild-assed guesses at temperatures at the site of the ice core, but nothing else. It's like he's trying to determine the temperature of the Earth using a single thermometer (or at most a few).

CO2 concentration is just as bad. A single station giving us the concentration of the CO2 over the entire Earth??? At most just a few???

CO2 concentration varies just like temperature. You can even see it in the Mauna Loa data itself. That little waver from year to year is the seasonal changes taking place. It means the plants around Mauna Loa are cranking up for the summer or going to sleep for the 'winter'. Tropical plants don't really go completely to sleep and lose their leaves like we have here in the colder regions, but they do go into a slower metabolism during Hawaii's 'winters'.

How much plant growth is around you? Is it different from mine? Probably! The CO2 concentration will vary just as much. Is there a different number of people around you? Probably! The CO2 concentration varies by that too.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 01-09-2017 19:23
RE: Net Radiation04-09-2017 09:28
GreenMan
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https://www.science.co.il/weather/middle-east-climate/


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RE: Atmosphere's Energy Budget05-09-2017 09:05
GreenMan
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https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/EnergyBalance/page6.php


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05-09-2017 19:05
Into the Night
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Apparently Greenman figures that instead of presenting his own arguments anymore here, he is going to just post propaganda from others.

Another version of litebeer?
05-09-2017 20:08
GasGuzzler
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Into the Night wrote:
Apparently Greenman figures that instead of presenting his own arguments anymore here, he is going to just post propaganda from others.

Another version of litebeer?


Shall we call him Greenlite?



05-09-2017 22:01
Into the Night
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Apparently Greenman figures that instead of presenting his own arguments anymore here, he is going to just post propaganda from others.

Another version of litebeer?


Shall we call him Greenlite?


Love it. Works for me!

If we call litebeer Redlite, we can play them off each other!


The Parrot Killer
RE: Not Climate Model09-10-2017 07:17
GreenMan
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Just an example of the model with messed up gases influence.


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09-10-2017 18:34
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" woofed: ....sharp reduction in the power of government. This is NOT what the Democrats want. They want a government so powerful they can enslave the entire human race.

Too late! euros & transplanted euros (mostly americans) wiped out Native Tribes around the world. Then, communists copied, by enslaving their own people, topping off with chinese communists(always small letters) who MURDERED, STARVED & TORTURED 100 million of their own BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES.
With all this history, "don'T rump" is starting up enslavements("don'T rump-style"), with Puerto Rican American citizens.... yeah, Puerto Rico is a classic "prison island" now.
& Puerto Rican deaths are much higher than "don'T rump" gov't propaganda.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakash/puerto-rico-funeral-directors?utm_term=.wukB6zqpm#.pgb9wN0px
09-10-2017 21:55
Into the Night
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GreenMan wrote:
Just an example of the model with messed up gases influence.


Greenlite!


The Parrot Killer
09-10-2017 21:56
Into the Night
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litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" woofed: ....sharp reduction in the power of government. This is NOT what the Democrats want. They want a government so powerful they can enslave the entire human race.

Too late! euros & transplanted euros (mostly americans) wiped out Native Tribes around the world. Then, communists copied, by enslaving their own people, topping off with chinese communists(always small letters) who MURDERED, STARVED & TORTURED 100 million of their own BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES.
With all this history, "don'T rump" is starting up enslavements("don'T rump-style"), with Puerto Rican American citizens.... yeah, Puerto Rico is a classic "prison island" now.
& Puerto Rican deaths are much higher than "don'T rump" gov't propaganda.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakash/puerto-rico-funeral-directors?utm_term=.wukB6zqpm#.pgb9wN0px



Redlite!


The Parrot Killer
09-10-2017 22:37
litesong
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Into the Night wrote:
litesong wrote:
"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" woofed: ....sharp reduction in the power of government. This is NOT what the Democrats want. They want a government so powerful they can enslave the entire human race.

Too late! euros & transplanted euros (mostly americans) wiped out Native Tribes around the world. Then, communists copied, by enslaving their own people, topping off with chinese communists(always small letters) who MURDERED, STARVED & TORTURED 100 million of their own BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES.
With all this history, "don'T rump" is starting up enslavements("don'T rump-style"), with Puerto Rican American citizens.... yeah, Puerto Rico is a classic "prison island" now.
& Puerto Rican deaths are much higher than "don'T rump" gov't propaganda.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakash/puerto-rico-funeral-directors?utm_term=.wukB6zqpm#.pgb9wN0px
Redlite!

"don'T rump" is a redlite district, molesting women by the (dozens?). The pussy-handling rich dude (sp. correction: dud), will go to nuclear war to raise enough dust to cover the sins of "don'T rump". "don'T rump" believes enough dust will even cloud God's Judgement.
11-10-2017 23:37
litesong
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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner wake-me-up" woofed: what the Democrats want. They want a government so powerful they can enslave the entire human race.

According to the racist, sexist, xenophobic, "uncountably" inhuman & slow reacting pressy-dent "don'T rump" gov't, 16 deaths in Puerto Rico have now surged to 45 people dead, with well over 100 souls still missing. Because pressy-dent "don'T rump" is a racist pig, more souls will pile up. Most people still have no power (even electricity), & almost half the banks still don't function for people to lead their lives, to reduce their trauma.
re-pubic-lick-uns reduced the size of gov't, just by letting a racist, sexist xenophobic, uncaring & unloving pig be pressy-dent..... exactly what re-pubic-lick-uns wanted...... & they still want less gov't & less caring.
Edited on 11-10-2017 23:47
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