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America Has The Best Health Care In The World25-12-2018 08:14
James___
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I would like to thank Wake and Harvey for pointing this out to me. If my doctors could make $2,000 by resolving my problem (the actual cost of surgery), why should they? By not resolving it I can become a revenue stream (source of revenue) over 10 times greater. I'll actually become a lifetime source of revenue paid for by your tax dollars. It's not socialism by any means. It's what capitalism allows for and embraces.
This is what's great about capitalism. Doctors profit by letting people suffer. And I will say that America has the best health care in the world because my doctors are having your government having me well paid to sit at home and have nothing better to do than to complain about being paid for doing nothing but complaining.
And for surgery that costs $2,000 I you wouldn't hear me complaining about anything because I'd be working like you. But since I tend to be a socialist you want me receiving free money. Really? Is that how capitalism works? Give free money to someone who has a tendency to be a socialist to shut them up?
Crikey you blokes are spot on. You know how to stop socialism by paying for it. That is utterly ingenious. Just pay people not to work so they'll find capitalism better. That's udderly evil. How you blokes come up with such a sinister plan?
I will undo your evil and get off of your free money. It'll kill ya'all when that happens but ya'all want me livin' off of your capitalism. It don't work for me. I prefer workin' for what I have and I don't like you forcin' free money on me.
Ya'all just a bunch a pigs is what ya'all be.
If anyone is wondering, when I had surgery for cancer, my insurance carrier was billed for less than $2,500. My situation can create a far more lucrative revenue stream. What needs to be considered as well is what doctors receive from companies that provide services to their patients. This is all a part of capitalism. If a doctor provides clients to a specific group of customers, how much reimbursement do they receive? It is about making money. That is the basis of capitalism, making money.

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Edited on 25-12-2018 08:23
25-12-2018 15:57
HarveyH55
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Merry Christmas rant...

How come you surgery only cost $2,500? My appendix, cost almost $78,000. Included 7 days room and board, private room, food was mostly IV and ice chips, the first 4 days, since I had a tube shoved up my node, and down to my stomach, to drain some dark green fluid, I'd otherwise would have puked all over the place, since the call button was pretty much a waste of time. It was painful getting out of bed to use the bathroom, but worse was having to unhook myself, unplug the IV machine, and wheel it in with me. When I did get actual food, it had a chemical odor and taste. First time was rough, but better than ice chips. Couldn't do much of the next three, that chemical smell just didn't agree with me, and I didn't want to have that tube shoved up my nose again. Stuck with the pre-packaged jello, and anything that didn't have the smell. Coffee wasn't so bad, could have been a little stronger. Least it wasn't that light-roast crap. 7 days, and never once could get help bathing, or even instructions on how to do it, with a tube down my throat, an IV in my arm, and drain in gut. Did the best I could with wet towels, and as much as I could reach, basically one armed. On my last day, when the removed the abdominal drain, which turned out to be a piece of tubing, over a foot long, kind of understood why so much pain. Little shock, since I wasn't moving none to gently getting out of bed, no one told me to be careful. I didn't go with the pain meds, they gave me some first day after surgery, but mostly made me sleepy, didn't seem to help with the pain. No experience, but figured if they aren't helping, probably do more harm. Those are just the highlight of my one and only surgery and hospital stay.

I did have another hospital experience, when I 'broke' my foot once. It hurt when it happened, pretty bad, but I still manage to finish work that day, figure it was bruised or strained. After getting home, my shoe off, and laid down for a while, found it was swollen, and starting to show a bruise. Could hardly walk on it, had to get creative, so had to call work. They told me to come in the next morning to fill out some paperwork (accident report), and took me to an urgent care clinic, about 10:00 AM. Couple hours, some Xrays, they couldn't find an obvious fracture, and decided to take me to the hospital Emergency room. It was December, flu season going strong, so I had a long wait, and dozens of people coughing and puking. More Xrays, more doctors poking and bending, lots of pain, same diagnosis, probably broken. Decided I needed a specialist. Gave me crutches, some anti-inflammatories, pain meds, and prescriptions for both, since my appointment wouldn't be for two days. It was going on 11:00pm, the urgent care place closed at 7:00 pm, so no ride back to work, where I left my car. Had to call a cab, and only $26 in my wallet... Turned out to be just enough. I didn't take the pain meds offered, since I had no experience, and knew I'd be driving, walking was tough enough. I hadn't expected such a long day, didn't dress for a cold night, hadn't eaten anything all day. Got home after midnight, no cast or anything on my foot.
Yeah, great health care...
26-12-2018 17:28
Wake
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James___ wrote:
I would like to thank Wake and Harvey for pointing this out to me. If my doctors could make $2,000 by resolving my problem (the actual cost of surgery), why should they? By not resolving it I can become a revenue stream (source of revenue) over 10 times greater. I'll actually become a lifetime source of revenue paid for by your tax dollars. It's not socialism by any means. It's what capitalism allows for and embraces.
This is what's great about capitalism. Doctors profit by letting people suffer. And I will say that America has the best health care in the world because my doctors are having your government having me well paid to sit at home and have nothing better to do than to complain about being paid for doing nothing but complaining.
And for surgery that costs $2,000 I you wouldn't hear me complaining about anything because I'd be working like you. But since I tend to be a socialist you want me receiving free money. Really? Is that how capitalism works? Give free money to someone who has a tendency to be a socialist to shut them up?
Crikey you blokes are spot on. You know how to stop socialism by paying for it. That is utterly ingenious. Just pay people not to work so they'll find capitalism better. That's udderly evil. How you blokes come up with such a sinister plan?
I will undo your evil and get off of your free money. It'll kill ya'all when that happens but ya'all want me livin' off of your capitalism. It don't work for me. I prefer workin' for what I have and I don't like you forcin' free money on me.
Ya'all just a bunch a pigs is what ya'all be.
If anyone is wondering, when I had surgery for cancer, my insurance carrier was billed for less than $2,500. My situation can create a far more lucrative revenue stream. What needs to be considered as well is what doctors receive from companies that provide services to their patients. This is all a part of capitalism. If a doctor provides clients to a specific group of customers, how much reimbursement do they receive? It is about making money. That is the basis of capitalism, making money.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AqLMhBDi3Q3CrXEX8


I would like you to know that I am not unsympathetic for your physical problems. But I have worked in and around medical instruments and those who use them for a large part of my life. A physician's FIRST job is to do no harm. If one physician were to not believe that he could solve your problem with an operation which you believe to be so simple all you would have to do is request other opinions and the doctor would be required to get them. You are not just a revenue stream and you believe that to be true for lord only knows what reason.

That along with your comment that your sister hasn't eaten food in 20 years gives me grave doubt of your sanity. I wonder if you're aware that serious stomach problems is suspected in causing Parkinson's Disease which could lead to Picks Disorder throught the same sort of faulty protein generation and perhaps the sort of things you've been writing here.
26-12-2018 20:34
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
James___ wrote:
I would like to thank Wake and Harvey for pointing this out to me. If my doctors could make $2,000 by resolving my problem (the actual cost of surgery), why should they? By not resolving it I can become a revenue stream (source of revenue) over 10 times greater. I'll actually become a lifetime source of revenue paid for by your tax dollars. It's not socialism by any means. It's what capitalism allows for and embraces.
This is what's great about capitalism. Doctors profit by letting people suffer. And I will say that America has the best health care in the world because my doctors are having your government having me well paid to sit at home and have nothing better to do than to complain about being paid for doing nothing but complaining.
And for surgery that costs $2,000 I you wouldn't hear me complaining about anything because I'd be working like you. But since I tend to be a socialist you want me receiving free money. Really? Is that how capitalism works? Give free money to someone who has a tendency to be a socialist to shut them up?
Crikey you blokes are spot on. You know how to stop socialism by paying for it. That is utterly ingenious. Just pay people not to work so they'll find capitalism better. That's udderly evil. How you blokes come up with such a sinister plan?
I will undo your evil and get off of your free money. It'll kill ya'all when that happens but ya'all want me livin' off of your capitalism. It don't work for me. I prefer workin' for what I have and I don't like you forcin' free money on me.
Ya'all just a bunch a pigs is what ya'all be.
If anyone is wondering, when I had surgery for cancer, my insurance carrier was billed for less than $2,500. My situation can create a far more lucrative revenue stream. What needs to be considered as well is what doctors receive from companies that provide services to their patients. This is all a part of capitalism. If a doctor provides clients to a specific group of customers, how much reimbursement do they receive? It is about making money. That is the basis of capitalism, making money.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AqLMhBDi3Q3CrXEX8


I would like you to know that I am not unsympathetic for your physical problems. But I have worked in and around medical instruments and those who use them for a large part of my life.

I don't believe you, Wake.
Wake wrote:
A physician's FIRST job is to do no harm.

Usually, though I have seen physicians who's first job was to make money.
Wake wrote:
If one physician were to not believe that he could solve your problem with an operation which you believe to be so simple all you would have to do is request other opinions and the doctor would be required to get them. You are not just a revenue stream and you believe that to be true for lord only knows what reason.

There ARE such things as crappy physicians out there, Wake.
Wake wrote:
That along with your comment that your sister hasn't eaten food in 20 years gives me grave doubt of your sanity.
Anyone that hasn't eaten for 20 years is dead.
Wake wrote:
I wonder if you're aware that serious stomach problems is suspected in causing Parkinson's Disease which could lead to Picks Disorder throught the same sort of faulty protein generation and perhaps the sort of things you've been writing here.

You are not a physician, Wake. Your diagnosis doesn't mean anything.


The Parrot Killer
27-12-2018 12:01
HarveyH55
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Not a physician, but did take a year of anatomy and physiology in college, limited medical experience...

Seems to me, that surgery for a colon cancer, would also involve the removal of some healthy surrounding tissue, to insure they don't leave any abnormal cells, to form into another tumor. Might not be a mistake, if they had to re-locate where the small intestine is attached. Anytime they cut you, there is scar tissue, which can cause pain for a while, but it works itself out. With colon surgery, there was likely dietary restrictions and recommendations. I just had my appendix removed, and was given a short list, and for a short time. My bowels didn't work right for weeks, some of it was the antibiotics. Couple months later, still not the same as before, but getting pretty close.

My guess would be that James didn't listen, or didn't completely understand the procedure. Didn't follow the dietary directions any better. Likely was instructed to get some daily exercise, and ignored that as well. He's having trouble getting a doctor, or insurance, to do what he wants, because there is no medical basis to preform any further procedures. He just needs to do what he was told, not what he wants, and eventually he'd return to mostly normal function.

Of course, I'm no doctor, and only working off James's version of the 'facts'. From my knowledge and experience, seems like James should consider a different type of doctor, which should still be cover by ObamaCare, maybe a few E.C.T. sessions. He seems to think his case, is the exact same as his relations, but maybe they didn't follow instructions any better, or were completely different, just similar. Just doesn't seem likely the insurance and medical community would be against him, or anyone needing treatment. The negligence would be well documented, and cost considerably more than the surgery to correct it.
27-12-2018 16:58
Wake
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Into the Night wrote: I don't believe you, Wake.


Are you still under the impression that I have the slightest care what a moron believes or doesn't?
27-12-2018 20:43
Into the Night
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Wake wrote:
Into the Night wrote: I don't believe you, Wake.


Are you still under the impression that I have the slightest care what a moron believes or doesn't?


You apparently do. You still try to use such arguments with everyone, including morons.


The Parrot Killer




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